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Met police officer charged over Everard murder

exiledclaseboy said:
Darran said:
There seems to be a massive problem in the UK where everybody,that’s everybody including the police and general public seem to think they can do whatever the f*ck they want.
If you watched and listened to the news yesterday every channel on tv and radio was saying that there’d been meetings between the police and organisers of the vigil and the police had said that because of COVID regulations the vigil should not happen.
I find the fact that it then happened interesting.
Why did it happen when the police said it shouldn’t happen?

The original organised event was cancelled. The spontaneous vigils that happened anyway were incredibly badly policed. They should have let an organised event go ahead with proper controls, distancing et al. Then there would have been an issue.

Absolutely ,especially as other events have gone ahead during COVID.
 
The Met took a hands off approach to BLM but a hands on approach to violence against women protests following a horrific murder for which a policeman has been charged.

That’s not a good look for the Met.
 
J_B said:
The Met took a hands off approach to BLM but a hands on approach to violence against women protests following a horrific murder for which a policeman has been charged.

That’s not a good look for the Met.

And all this after being invited to collaborate with Reclaim These Streets in the first place.
 
J_B said:
The Met took a hands off approach to BLM but a hands on approach to violence against women protests following a horrific murder for which a policeman has been charged.

That’s not a good look for the Met.

They handled the whole thing in an incredibly cack handed way from the denial of the organised event to the nonsense last night.
 
I don't remember there being as much attention on this https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsmanchester/the-chilling-footage-that-shows-the-moment-eltiona-skana-was-arrested-after-killing-schoolgirl-emily-jones/ar-BB1bK0SZ

I don't even recall it being mentioned on here
 
Darran said:
Cooperman said:
Dreadful scenes from London and what looks like a complete misjudgement of the events that were planned. A lack of upfront engagement with the organisers seems to be a contributing factor and the chaos descended from there. The family of Ms. Everard will be heartbroken to see this.

There seems to be a massive problem in the UK where everybody,that’s everybody including the police and general public seem to think they can do whatever the f*ck they want.
If you watched and listened to the news yesterday every channel on tv and radio was saying that there’d been meetings between the police and organisers of the vigil and the police had said that because of COVID regulations the vigil should not happen.
I find the fact that it then happened interesting.
Why did it happen when the police said it shouldn’t happen?

The organisers attempted to arrange the vigil with full Police support.

The police said it was unlawful under Covid regulations.

The organisers went to court this week and the court ruled Before yesterday morning that it was not unlawful as the Covid restrictions allow for such an event but left it up to the Met as to whether they allowed it or not.

The organisers then tried to sit down with the Met again. They again said no, the organisers then called it off as they could have had huge fines.

To the surprise of precisely no one it still went ahead as people turned up for it. All day. Including the future Queen (which is actually a huge political problem for the government as Patel can’t do her usual ‘everyone that turned up is a thug looking for trouble’.

Instead of other cities where the police allowed vigils with precisely no bother whatsoever, the Met, given a choice of female officers respectfully watching from the edges or male officers wading in, decided the way to best police the event was the latter - they employed a largely male presence who adopted an aggressive mindset, grabbed people who were simply sitting at the bandstand, trampled flowers that had been laid earlier, and generally acted like thugs.

Given the event also was not ‘authorised’ due to ‘Covid’ the event also then saw a bunch of thuggish anti lockdown morons who turned up to cause bother.

The whole situation was a disaster. The police in this country police by consent. Their latest incarnation into a bunch of stormtroopers under the guidance of Patel as stormtrooper in chief, will lead to nothing but trouble. If the Met cannot secure the support and instead have the utter mistrust and contempt of someone like me, a middle aged, middle class women without a single criminally minded tendency, they are absolutely buggered. It’s the latest in a line of shambolic decisions from the top, starting with the Home Secretary, made worse by bullies on the front line who seem to think they’re untouchable.

Some time ago, I wrote about the horror of the police taking selfies with the bodies of two murdered sisters in a London country park. Those police officers have still not been charged. The organisation seems rancid. I’m sure there are many deeply caring officers who really want to make a difference. They are being damaged by thuggish colleagues who revel in their ‘powers’.

Deeply disturbing. I expect a full investigation of what has happened and, if it is as it seems, the resignation of Cressida Dick.

I lit a candle for Sarah Everard. And for all those who have been murdered, raped, attacked, harassed for the crime of being outside the front door and female. And for all those who are reduced to a restricted life, for the fear of becoming a statistic’.

And yes, I know that men are attacked too. And women can be evil, murderous scum.

But just for now, the conversation is not about that. It’s about the 97% of women who have been harassed or attacked or worse in public spaces. Public spaces that the police are responsible for keeping safe for all of us. Quite obviously not all men are doing anything at all. But enough are that all women are at risk. If you know friends, family etc that act like dicks towards women, please ask them to stop. Call them out. Enough.
 
Monty said:
I don't remember there being as much attention on this https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsmanchester/the-chilling-footage-that-shows-the-moment-eltiona-skana-was-arrested-after-killing-schoolgirl-emily-jones/ar-BB1bK0SZ

I don't even recall it being mentioned on here

I didn't know anything about that and now I kind of wish I still didn't. Horrific.

Why bring it up in this thread though?
 
The picture of the red headed woman, with her mask, looking straight into the camera looks appalling for the Met. The Everard murder has really hit me this week, not least from posts of friends and colleagues on Twitter. I posted this on the other site
https://www.bigissue.com/opinion/male-decision-makers-have-no-idea-how-dangerous-the-uk-is-for-women/
The author was a MSc student of mine about 15 years ago. I think it fell on largely deaf ears (some exceptions) and the usual prehistoric crap was posted, though that comment is unfair on dinosaurs given some of the comments made. It's good to see some more mature discussion here.
 
Monty said:
I don't remember there being as much attention on this https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsmanchester/the-chilling-footage-that-shows-the-moment-eltiona-skana-was-arrested-after-killing-schoolgirl-emily-jones/ar-BB1bK0SZ

I don't even recall it being mentioned on here

Why is it relevant to this thread?
 
Londonlisa2001 said:
Darran said:
There seems to be a massive problem in the UK where everybody,that’s everybody including the police and general public seem to think they can do whatever the f*ck they want.
If you watched and listened to the news yesterday every channel on tv and radio was saying that there’d been meetings between the police and organisers of the vigil and the police had said that because of COVID regulations the vigil should not happen.
I find the fact that it then happened interesting.
Why did it happen when the police said it shouldn’t happen?

The organisers attempted to arrange the vigil with full Police support.

The police said it was unlawful under Covid regulations.

The organisers went to court this week and the court ruled Before yesterday morning that it was not unlawful as the Covid restrictions allow for such an event but left it up to the Met as to whether they allowed it or not.

The organisers then tried to sit down with the Met again. They again said no, the organisers then called it off as they could have had huge fines.

To the surprise of precisely no one it still went ahead as people turned up for it. All day. Including the future Queen (which is actually a huge political problem for the government as Patel can’t do her usual ‘everyone that turned up is a thug looking for trouble’.

Instead of other cities where the police allowed vigils with precisely no bother whatsoever, the Met, given a choice of female officers respectfully watching from the edges or male officers wading in, decided the way to best police the event was the latter - they employed a largely male presence who adopted an aggressive mindset, grabbed people who were simply sitting at the bandstand, trampled flowers that had been laid earlier, and generally acted like thugs.

Given the event also was not ‘authorised’ due to ‘Covid’ the event also then saw a bunch of thuggish anti lockdown morons who turned up to cause bother.

The whole situation was a disaster. The police in this country police by consent. Their latest incarnation into a bunch of stormtroopers under the guidance of Patel as stormtrooper in chief, will lead to nothing but trouble. If the Met cannot secure the support and instead have the utter mistrust and contempt of someone like me, a middle aged, middle class women without a single criminally minded tendency, they are absolutely buggered. It’s the latest in a line of shambolic decisions from the top, starting with the Home Secretary, made worse by bullies on the front line who seem to think they’re untouchable.

Some time ago, I wrote about the horror of the police taking selfies with the bodies of two murdered sisters in a London country park. Those police officers have still not been charged. The organisation seems rancid. I’m sure there are many deeply caring officers who really want to make a difference. They are being damaged by thuggish colleagues who revel in their ‘powers’.

Deeply disturbing. I expect a full investigation of what has happened and, if it is as it seems, the resignation of Cressida Dick.

I lit a candle for Sarah Everard. And for all those who have been murdered, raped, attacked, harassed for the crime of being outside the front door and female. And for all those who are reduced to a restricted life, for the fear of becoming a statistic’.

And yes, I know that men are attacked too. And women can be evil, murderous scum.

But just for now, the conversation is not about that. It’s about the 97% of women who have been harassed or attacked or worse in public spaces. Public spaces that the police are responsible for keeping safe for all of us. Quite obviously not all men are doing anything at all. But enough are that all women are at risk. If you know friends, family etc that act like dicks towards women, please ask them to stop. Call them out. Enough.

Yes absolutely but the point I made is also an important one,people still think they can do whatever the f*ck they want.
 
I brought it up because I don't see why there is such a fuss over this case, when the case of the 4 year old getting her throat slit in a public park got next to no notice. Thought i'd made that clear.
 
Monty said:
I brought it up because I don't see why there is such a fuss over this case, when the case of the 4 year old getting her throat slit in a public park got next to no notice. Thought i'd made that clear.

Have you missed the part about the accused being a serving Metropolitan Police Officer?
 
Monty said:
I brought it up because I don't see why there is such a fuss over this case, when the case of the 4 year old getting her throat slit in a public park got next to no notice. Thought i'd made that clear.

There was a large number of xenophobic comments at the time. But as usual, a pretty, white middle-class girl disappearing or being sadly murdered always attracts more publicity-see Madelaine McCann
 
Cooperman said:
Monty said:
I brought it up because I don't see why there is such a fuss over this case, when the case of the 4 year old getting her throat slit in a public park got next to no notice. Thought i'd made that clear.

Have you missed the part about the accused being a serving Metropolitan Police Officer?

What he does for a living is irrelevant, he's a murderer

A 4 year old girl had her throat slit by a random woman in a park in the middle of the day
 

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