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Anyone have any insight into this funding that the club has allegedly secured from the Americans recently? Termed as 'investment', but thought not be a loan?
 
Risc said:
We haven’t had any chief?

https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/swanseacity/news/56793/swansea-city-prepare-seven-figure-matt-o%E2%80%99riley-bid-.-joe-rodon-link-is-key

There's an interesting sentence in there regarding this month Silverstein securing investment. I've sought clarification and apparently isn't like the last 'investment' which was the CLN loan.

And also a cryptic line about something accruing interest?
 
God knows, but doesn’t seem like much investment though, two loans and Fisher few which will more than likely be recouped via Pato sale. No official bid was ever made to MK Dons either according to Vital who to be fair hasn’t got anything wrong as of yet this window. We didn’t have the resources available to make a bid.

Stu James has said we are skint, and any permanents would mean a sale would need to come first.

This isn’t a dig at the owners I don’t want us spending money we haven’t got but from outside looking in there hasn’t been any extra finances made available.
 
Yes, it doesn't make a great deal of sense to me either, this why trying to find out what it's all about. I don't see why they would just gift the club money and also why they wouldn't have publically announced it if they had.
 
Chief said:
Yes, it doesn't make a great deal of sense to me either, this why trying to find out what it's all about. I don't see why they would just gift the club money and also why they wouldn't have publically announced it if they had.

If they have "invested" money it will be either in a direct exchange for equity. Or by way of a convertible loan - no money will be given by this group without 'strings' attached.

I was pointed in the direction earlier today of this line in the last Trust minutes - " DD suggested that once the legal situation is resolved, we would most likely get better engagement with the
club."

This feels like some deal has been struck with the owners to settle the legal dispute.

Could make for an interesting AGM
 
Yes but if it was for equity, wouldn't all of the other shareholders have to be offered the chance to match the investment so they can avoid being diluted?

Winter previously alluded to the current CLN being increased, but apparently this 'investment' doesn't involve a loan.

I am skeptical that they would just put money without expecting anything back. Why wouldn't they have announced it publically if they had too? What better charm offensive campaign ahead of some potential legal action would there be?
 
PSumbler said:
Chief said:
Yes, it doesn't make a great deal of sense to me either, this why trying to find out what it's all about. I don't see why they would just gift the club money and also why they wouldn't have publically announced it if they had.

If they have "invested" money it will be either in a direct exchange for equity. Or by way of a convertible loan - no money will be given by this group without 'strings' attached.

I was pointed in the direction earlier today of this line in the last Trust minutes - " DD suggested that once the legal situation is resolved, we would most likely get better engagement with the
club."

This feels like some deal has been struck with the owners to settle the legal dispute.

Could make for an interesting AGM

That DD minute is a concern! What other, reasonable explanation could there be with an expectation arising of better engagement with the club once the legal position is resolved…other than there’s a deal outside of going to court in the offing…if that transpires to be the case…well, I’ll have no words (I will obviously, lots I expect, but you know what I mean 😐)
 
Marchamjack said:
PSumbler said:
If they have "invested" money it will be either in a direct exchange for equity. Or by way of a convertible loan - no money will be given by this group without 'strings' attached.

I was pointed in the direction earlier today of this line in the last Trust minutes - " DD suggested that once the legal situation is resolved, we would most likely get better engagement with the
club."

This feels like some deal has been struck with the owners to settle the legal dispute.

Could make for an interesting AGM

That DD minute is a concern! What other, reasonable explanation could there be with an expectation arising of better engagement with the club once the legal position is resolved…other than there’s a deal outside of going to court in the offing…if that transpires to be the case…well, I’ll have no words (I will obviously, lots I expect, but you know what I mean 😐)

That is pretty much my thought - it is difficult to see better engagement when the owners and the Trust are on opposite sides in a courtoom and the comment did suggest that the resolution was relatively imminent
 
Chief said:
Yes but if it was for equity, wouldn't all of the other shareholders have to be offered the chance to match the investment so they can avoid being diluted?

Winter previously alluded to the current CLN being increased, but apparently this 'investment' doesn't involve a loan.

I am skeptical that they would just put money without expecting anything back. Why wouldn't they have announced it publically if they had too? What better charm offensive campaign ahead of some potential legal action would there be?

There is no way they would put money in without wanting something back
 
Chief said:
Yes but if it was for equity, wouldn't all of the other shareholders have to be offered the chance to match the investment so they can avoid being diluted?

Winter previously alluded to the current CLN being increased, but apparently this 'investment' doesn't involve a loan.

I am skeptical that they would just put money without expecting anything back. Why wouldn't they have announced it publically if they had too? What better charm offensive campaign ahead of some potential legal action would there be?

My attention was pointed to this.

Irrespective of what is being said and where it is being said there are two mechanisms for injecting money in to a company. Equity. And loans. And convertible loans are loans until they become equity.

No one is gifting money. It’s not possible. As I’ve said repeatedly, the owners / lenders and the club are not fungible,

There was talk some time ago by Winter I think that another loan was required. This will, one assumes, be in the form that the last one took. Where Silverstein had a loan of £5m matched by the majority owners and there is now, it seems from public statements, some additional amounts of uncertain provenance, totalling some £12m-£13m from what has been said.

To reiterate. Silverstein has loaned money. He may or may not become an owner in due course if there is conversion to equity. Or may be now if he has put any money into Swansea Football LLC, the Delaware holding company for 69% (from memory) of Swansea City 2002 Limited which owns the football club. He doesn’t own shares in Swansea City 2002 Limited according to companies house filings.

If there has been an equity investment it hasn’t been a announced as yet and no further loans have been announced as yet either.

I would avoid reading too much into financial announcements on sources other than official.
 
Londonlisa2001 said:
Chief said:
Yes but if it was for equity, wouldn't all of the other shareholders have to be offered the chance to match the investment so they can avoid being diluted?

Winter previously alluded to the current CLN being increased, but apparently this 'investment' doesn't involve a loan.

I am skeptical that they would just put money without expecting anything back. Why wouldn't they have announced it publically if they had too? What better charm offensive campaign ahead of some potential legal action would there be?

My attention was pointed to this.

Irrespective of what is being said and where it is being said there are two mechanisms for injecting money in to a company. Equity. And loans. And convertible loans are loans until they become equity.

No one is gifting money. It’s not possible. As I’ve said repeatedly, the owners / lenders and the club are not fungible,

There was talk some time ago by Winter I think that another loan was required. This will, one assumes, be in the form that the last one took. Where Silverstein had a loan of £5m matched by the majority owners and there is now, it seems from public statements, some additional amounts of uncertain provenance, totalling some £12m-£13m from what has been said.

To reiterate. Silverstein has loaned money. He may or may not become an owner in due course if there is conversion to equity. Or may be now if he has put any money into Swansea Football LLC, the Delaware holding company for 69% (from memory) of Swansea City 2002 Limited which owns the football club. He doesn’t own shares in Swansea City 2002 Limited according to companies house filings.

If there has been an equity investment it hasn’t been a announced as yet and no further loans have been announced as yet either.

I would avoid reading too much into financial announcements on sources other than official.

Great post Lis and good to see you too.
 
Darran said:
Londonlisa2001 said:
My attention was pointed to this.

Irrespective of what is being said and where it is being said there are two mechanisms for injecting money in to a company. Equity. And loans. And convertible loans are loans until they become equity.

No one is gifting money. It’s not possible. As I’ve said repeatedly, the owners / lenders and the club are not fungible,

There was talk some time ago by Winter I think that another loan was required. This will, one assumes, be in the form that the last one took. Where Silverstein had a loan of £5m matched by the majority owners and there is now, it seems from public statements, some additional amounts of uncertain provenance, totalling some £12m-£13m from what has been said.

To reiterate. Silverstein has loaned money. He may or may not become an owner in due course if there is conversion to equity. Or may be now if he has put any money into Swansea Football LLC, the Delaware holding company for 69% (from memory) of Swansea City 2002 Limited which owns the football club. He doesn’t own shares in Swansea City 2002 Limited according to companies house filings.

If there has been an equity investment it hasn’t been a announced as yet and no further loans have been announced as yet either.

I would avoid reading too much into financial announcements on sources other than official.

Great post Lis and good to see you too.

Stop being so fungible.
 
monmouth said:
Darran said:
Great post Lis and good to see you too.

Stop being so fungible.

It’s a lovely concept. And one that is so misunderstood. Irrespective of ownership a company is a separate legal entity. A concept that so many can’t grasp. I know you do btw…
 

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