New Manager

[Nottinghillbilly]

It would be good if Montague and the club generally could acknowledge that the low tempo of our play has played a significant part in the decline on our support and underperformance on the pitch. However, they will have an understanding of where we've gone wrong and will be aware of the trend towards more direct football. I'm confident that the next manager will be appointed with this in mind. Perhaps I'm being naive, but my gut feeling is that Montague gets it.

Anyone know if Montague was a fan of Luke Williams at Notts ? Did he recruit him ?
Let us hope not because Williams was a poor tactician and worse man manager

 

[Swansea93]

Anyone know if Montague was a fan of Luke Williams at Notts ? Did he recruit him ?
Let us hope not because Williams was a poor tactician and worse man manager

Not sure if he appointed Williams but he appointed his successor Stuart Maynard who’s done a decent job, looking at a lot of Notts County games they’re possession heavy but they seem to have a lot of shots, so maybe he’s a manager who’s possession with purpose.

 

[bytholwyn]

To be fair scoring 117 goals in the National league was rather impressive. Williams is a good man manager when the goings good, which was pretty much continuously the case with County. Tactically he was good with them too, which is why his gameplan with us was so disappointing. I think he'll make a decent lower league manager if he learns from his mistakes, especially not to throw the team under the bus on a regular basis.

 

[Vetchonian]

Of course, and nobody is disputing that, but that's not what we've had for most of the last four years. Very much the opposite, and it's concerning that the club is repeating its words of the past instead of acknowledging that most people have had a titful of our recent "identity".

Therein lies the problem...this identity tag..for me it's successful winning attractive football as we saw under Martinez, Rodgers and Luadrup where the key factor was not the percentage possession but getting the ball in the oppostions net more than they got it in ours.
Passing the ball forwards on the deck only to go sideways and back when there is no forward option.

The myth of the "Swansea Way" and a footballing identity has been a millstone and hindrance in appointing the right manager

 

[Nottinghillbilly]

To be fair scoring 117 goals in the National league was rather impressive. Williams is a good man manager when the goings good, which was pretty much continuously the case with County. Tactically he was good with them too, which is why his gameplan with us was so disappointing. I think he'll make a decent lower league manager if he learns from his mistakes, especially not to throw the team under the bus on a regular basis.

Maybe this is the slight concern for us.
If Luke Williams was the benchmark of excellence at that level but was found wanting at our level, could Montague be a similar risk ?
Duff also failed to make the grade with us.

Is it the step up or is it bigger than that, the weight of expectation to give us discerning Swans fans something unachievable ?

 

[Swansea93]

Richard Montague's Swans vision and what will be at heart of transfer strategy

Swansea City's new director of football has outlined his vision for

www.walesonline.co.uk

Some more Montague interviews

 

[magicdaps10]

Richard Montague's Swans vision and what will be at heart of transfer strategy

Swansea City's new director of football has outlined his vision for

www.walesonline.co.uk

Some more Montague interviews

He's done quite a lot of talking since he has been here.

 

[Vetchonian]

Richard Montague's Swans vision and what will be at heart of transfer strategy

Swansea City's new director of football has outlined his vision for

www.walesonline.co.uk

What frightens me about this is using "modelling " to identify our next manager who will play in his words the football of Martinez, Rodgers and Luadrup.

There was no science to Martinez 's appointment just that Jenkins knew he wanted to play football in a particular way...influenced by his Spanish background Rodgers who followed had spent a fair amount of time in Europe studying coaches after he lost the Reading job, and Luadrup had played in Europe and under some great coaches.

Each of these coaches/managers had something different about them and it was not a case of more of the same with each appointment.
Williams approach was nothing like that of the three managers Montague says he was influenced by.

Whilst Jenkins in the end got a lot wrong he got those 3 appointments right and in a way Sousa was essential in pur development.
These appointments were made by sitting and talking and understanding exactly how these guys would look to play football and did it excite Huw as a fan

 

[bytholwyn]

Richard Montague's Swans vision and what will be at heart of transfer strategy

Swansea City's new director of football has outlined his vision for

www.walesonline.co.uk

What frightens me about this is using "modelling " to identify our next manager who will play in his words the football of Martinez, Rodgers and Luadrup.

There was no science to Martinez 's appointment just that Jenkins knew he wanted to play football in a particular way...influenced by his Spanish background Rodgers who followed had spent a fair amount of time in Europe studying coaches after he lost the Reading job, and Luadrup had played in Europe and under some great coaches.

Each of these coaches/managers had something different about them and it was not a case of more of the same with each appointment.
Williams approach was nothing like that of the three managers Montague says he was influenced by.

Whilst Jenkins in the end got a lot wrong he got those 3 appointments right and in a way Sousa was essential in pur development.
These appointments were made by sitting and talking and understanding exactly how these guys would look to play football and did it excite Huw as a fan

That could be a problem if the approach is too prescriptive. If you only go on track record you could end up excluding good candidates. Take Eric Ramsay. His Minnesota side averaged less than 50% possession last season, but that may be a result of a pragmatic approach reflecting the quality and characteristics of the squad at his disposal. In a different setting he might well adopt a more possession led approach.

Ron Edwards' FGR were a possession-led side, but when Edwards went to Luton he embraced their more direct approach. Would we rule him out because of that? Hopefully we look at each applicant on their merits.

 

[Smurph]

That could be a problem if the approach is too prescriptive. If you only go on track record you could end up excluding good candidates. Take Eric Ramsay. His Minnesota side averaged less than 50% possession last season, but that may be a result of a pragmatic approach reflecting the quality and characteristics of the squad at his disposal. In a different setting he might well adopt a more possession led approach.

Ron Edwards' FGR were a possession-led side, but when Edwards went to Luton he embraced their more direct approach. Would we rule him out because of that? Hopefully we look at each applicant on their merits.

Only thing we should be focusing on is results. This obsession with possession has gone on far too long.

 

[Vetchonian]

That could be a problem if the approach is too prescriptive. If you only go on track record you could end up excluding good candidates. Take Eric Ramsay. His Minnesota side averaged less than 50% possession last season, but that may be a result of a pragmatic approach reflecting the quality and characteristics of the squad at his disposal. In a different setting he might well adopt a more possession led approach.

Ron Edwards' FGR were a possession-led side, but when Edwards went to Luton he embraced their more direct approach. Would we rule him out because of that? Hopefully we look at each applicant on their merits.

That is precisely the point I am making.
Firstly possession shouldn't be the defining metric.
Martinez 's football was not about possesion it was how the ball was used.
He set up Leon to allow the centre backs to have an out ball without having to boot it up field.
Whilst it can be argued this was about keeping possession. you didn't see Leon static passingn sideways and backwards he moved with the ball and distributed it using the likes of Rangel,and the wingers such as Paul Anderson. We played triangles and usually Leon was always at the tip of that triangle looking to get the ball forwards and into the oppos net as fast as possible.

I'd rather we look at a combination of stats,ie wins ,goals scored,scoring opportunities created alongside the possession stat.
We want to see lots of goals scored,not many conceded and pass completion in the final third.

 

[bytholwyn]

That is precisely the point I am making.
Firstly possession shouldn't be the defining metric.
Martinez 's football was not about possesion it was how the ball was used.
He set up Leon to allow the centre backs to have an out ball without having to boot it up field.
Whilst it can be argued this was about keeping possession. you didn't see Leon static passingn sideways and backwards he moved with the ball and distributed it using the likes of Rangel,and the wingers such as Paul Anderson. We played triangles and usually Leon was always at the tip of that triangle looking to get the ball forwards and into the oppos net as fast as possible.

I'd rather we look at a combination of stats,ie wins ,goals scored,scoring opportunities created alongside the possession stat.
We want to see lots of goals scored,not many conceded and pass completion in the final third.

I agree. The focus needs to be much more on those stats that have a bearing on scoring goals and not conceding them. It will generally be the case that sides that have more touches in the final third and opposition penalty area will have the most possession generally, but there will be exceptions. We need to be more sophisticated than looking at possession alone. To be fair I'm confident that Montague will be.

 

[Skippyjack]

That is precisely the point I am making.
Firstly possession shouldn't be the defining metric.
Martinez 's football was not about possesion it was how the ball was used.
He set up Leon to allow the centre backs to have an out ball without having to boot it up field.
Whilst it can be argued this was about keeping possession. you didn't see Leon static passingn sideways and backwards he moved with the ball and distributed it using the likes of Rangel,and the wingers such as Paul Anderson. We played triangles and usually Leon was always at the tip of that triangle looking to get the ball forwards and into the oppos net as fast as possible.

I'd rather we look at a combination of stats,ie wins ,goals scored,scoring opportunities created alongside the possession stat.
We want to see lots of goals scored,not many conceded and pass completion in the final third.

Mate, we appointed Martin - his achievement.. midtable league one

Williams.. from the national league, league two

You get what you pay for, now we've got another Yank talking out of his a*se like he's some sort of deity, what level has he operated at, national league and league two..

It catches up with you in the end, appointing someone at that level and you expecting them to deliver, it's delusional.. we're a multi national company and we're appointing people who've run a corner shop..

 

[bytholwyn]

Mate, we appointed Martin - his achievement.. midtable league one

Williams.. from the national league, league two

You get what you pay for, now we've got another Yank talking out of his a*se like he's some sort of deity, what level has he operated at, national league and league two..

It catches up with you in the end, appointing someone at that level and you expecting them to deliver, it's delusional.. we're a multi national company and we're appointing people who've run a corner shop..

Montague is English. He's also worked for Football Radar for a long time and had a 100 people working under him. His pedigree is pretty good.

 

[Skippyjack]

Montague is English. He's also worked for Football Radar for a long time and had a 100 people working under him. His pedigree is pretty good.

I'll take your word for it, but why is he advocating for a ultra possession coach, when all modern data is pointing towards quick ball outfits and pace.. as everyone has said on here, this swansea way stuff has got to our owners heads