Season 20/21: The Swansea City v Norwich City Match Thread

[Trampie]

Run rate good enough for last season but not good enough for the preceding 6 seasons before that.

We have a run rate of 1.92 per game which sees us on track for 88 points. Only twice in the past ten seasons would that have not been enough. Not sure what stats you are looking at?

The two years are 2017/18 where 89 points were needed and 15/16 where 91 would have been needed (or the same points with a better goal difference)

2018-19 Norwich 94, Sheff Utd 89
2017-18 Wolves 99, Cardiff 90
2016-17 Newcastle 94, Brighton 93
2015-16 Burnley 93, M'boro 89
2014-15 B'mouth 90, Watford 89
2013-14 Leicester 102, Burnley 93

 

[Lisvanejack]

We have a run rate of 1.92 per game which sees us on track for 88 points. Only twice in the past ten seasons would that have not been enough. Not sure what stats you are looking at?

The two years are 2017/18 where 89 points were needed and 15/16 where 91 would have been needed (or the same points with a better goal difference)

2018-19 Norwich 94, Sheff Utd 89
2017-18 Wolves 99, Cardiff 90
2016-17 Newcastle 94, Brighton 93
2015-16 Burnley 93, M'boro 89
2014-15 B'mouth 90, Watford 89
2013-14 Leicester 102, Burnley 93

That’s not the point. What the second place team had is irrelevant. What you need for promotion is 1 point higher than the 3rd place team.

 

[Trampie]

2018-19 Norwich 94, Sheff Utd 89
2017-18 Wolves 99, Cardiff 90
2016-17 Newcastle 94, Brighton 93
2015-16 Burnley 93, M'boro 89
2014-15 B'mouth 90, Watford 89
2013-14 Leicester 102, Burnley 93

That’s not the point. What the second place team had is irrelevant. What you need for promotion is 1 point higher than the 3rd place team.

You could get promoted with the same points as the 3rd place team as long as you have a better goal difference.

 

[PSumbler]

We have a run rate of 1.92 per game which sees us on track for 88 points. Only twice in the past ten seasons would that have not been enough. Not sure what stats you are looking at?

The two years are 2017/18 where 89 points were needed and 15/16 where 91 would have been needed (or the same points with a better goal difference)

2018-19 Norwich 94, Sheff Utd 89
2017-18 Wolves 99, Cardiff 90
2016-17 Newcastle 94, Brighton 93
2015-16 Burnley 93, M'boro 89
2014-15 B'mouth 90, Watford 89
2013-14 Leicester 102, Burnley 93

Tbats the points the top 2 teams achieved

You only have to get 1 more point than the team in 3rd place

 

[Trampie]

2018-19 Norwich 94, Sheff Utd 89
2017-18 Wolves 99, Cardiff 90
2016-17 Newcastle 94, Brighton 93
2015-16 Burnley 93, M'boro 89
2014-15 B'mouth 90, Watford 89
2013-14 Leicester 102, Burnley 93

Tbats the points the top 2 teams achieved

You only have to get 1 more point than the team in 3rd place

You do only need 1 more point than the 3rd placed team but that figure can't be quantified when looking back, it's not 2pts for a win anymore (when the total points up for grabs was known).

 

[PSumbler]

Tbats the points the top 2 teams achieved

You only have to get 1 more point than the team in 3rd place

You do only need 1 more point than the 3rd placed team but that figure can't be quantified when looking back, it's not 2pts for a win anymore (when the total points up for grabs was known).

But in each of those seasons 1 point better than 3rd would have been enough. Which is the point being made, in 8 of the 10 preceding seasons 1.92 points per game would have been enough to get more points than the team in 3rd place. Ergo automatic promotion

 

[Trampie]

You do only need 1 more point than the 3rd placed team but that figure can't be quantified when looking back, it's not 2pts for a win anymore (when the total points up for grabs was known).

But in each of those seasons 1 point better than 3rd would have been enough. Which is the point being made, in 8 of the 10 preceding seasons 1.92 points per game would have been enough to get more points than the team in 3rd place. Ergo automatic promotion

Those 6 seasons I highlighted, on one occasion the 3rd place team finished 6pts behind the 2nd place team and on another occasion the 3rd place team finished a full 8pts behind the 2nd place team.
Taking the season where the 3rd place team finished 8pts behind the 2nd place team, what about the 7pts difference (that the league dished out ?, those points don't just disappear).

 

[PSumbler]

But in each of those seasons 1 point better than 3rd would have been enough. Which is the point being made, in 8 of the 10 preceding seasons 1.92 points per game would have been enough to get more points than the team in 3rd place. Ergo automatic promotion

Those 6 seasons I highlighted, on one occasion the 3rd place team finished 6pts behind the 2nd place team and on another occasion the 3rd place team finished a full 8pts behind the 2nd place team.
Taking the season where the 3rd place team finished 8pts behind the 2nd place team, what about the 7pts difference (that the league dished out ?, those points don't just disappear).

Nobody is saying those points disappear but if the 3rd place team has 80 points, then 81 (or as referenced earlier 80 with a better goal difference) that season would have been enough. The fact that the 2nd placed team had 90 really isn't relevant to the discussion.

The point stands that in 8 of the last 10 seasons, an average points gained per game of 1.92 would have been enough to have finished above the 3rd placed side. Let's not go around in circles saying the same thing over and over it just feels pointless

 

[Jinxy]

Our mindset must be to finish top. With the excellent transfer business, it's possible. There's a long way to go - Cooper and the players have much to learn, but it's nice to see the club genuinely giving it a go. Everything crossed for Friday night, 3 points for us would be a hell of a message.

 

[PSumbler]

Our mindset must be to finish top. With the excellent transfer business, it's possible. There's a long way to go - Cooper and the players have much to learn, but it's nice to see the club genuinely giving it a go. Everything crossed for Friday night, 3 points for us would be a hell of a message.

People have made many sentiments about us needing to take the game to Norwich which is right enough but let's also not do that at the expense of leaving holes at the back. We have proven in some games this season that we can be tight at the back and dangerous going forward, the Liberty would be rocking Friday night

 

[swansnews]

Latest table after NORWICH and BOURNEMOUTH games

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Cardiff just 6 points above the bottom 3

 

[Trampie]

Those 6 seasons I highlighted, on one occasion the 3rd place team finished 6pts behind the 2nd place team and on another occasion the 3rd place team finished a full 8pts behind the 2nd place team.
Taking the season where the 3rd place team finished 8pts behind the 2nd place team, what about the 7pts difference (that the league dished out ?, those points don't just disappear).

Nobody is saying those points disappear but if the 3rd place team has 80 points, then 81 (or as referenced earlier 80 with a better goal difference) that season would have been enough. The fact that the 2nd placed team had 90 really isn't relevant to the discussion.

The point stands that in 8 of the last 10 seasons, an average points gained per game of 1.92 would have been enough to have finished above the 3rd placed side. Let's not go around in circles saying the same thing over and over it just feels pointless

Taking 2016-17 as an example

Newcastle 94
Brighton 93
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Reading 85
Sheff Wed 81
Huddersfield 81
Fulham 80

If Brighton only needed 86 points that season to go up, there was another 7 points going to other teams, if 3rd, 4th, 5th or 6th place had got those 7pts then 86 points would not have been enough as anyone of those teams would have got more than 86 if anyone of those teams got the missing 7points.

 

[Swansea93]

DF on that looming game against the Swans. 'I have not spent one second thinking about that game. First Boro, then Milwall. But they will have had a week with their feet on the sofa.'

 

[swansnews]

NORWICH CITY IN MIDWEEK
Millwall 0 Norwich City 0
EFL Championship
02 February 2021

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY5r9gfDU2c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zloeaD7YHVE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSTXQOG9Og0

 

[swansnews]

MEET THE REFEREE

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Friday's referee is Simon Hooper from Wiltshire.

Hooper is a Select One referee who will take charge of his 5th Championship game of the season - the previous 4 seeing him hand out just 8 yellow cards which you would hope bodes well for a non whistle happy performance.

It will be his 8th time in charge of the Swans, the most recent being a 2-1 home defeat to Fulham in 2019.

Hooper was appointed to the National List in 2008 and then promoted to Select Group 2 in 2016 and took charge of the League One play-off final between Bradford City and Millwall at the end of the 2016/17 season. He made the Select 1 list at the start of the 2018/19 season.

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Upon his promotion to the Group 1 list former top flight referee Mark Halsey said he was unsure Simon Hooper deserved to be promoted into elite list of English referees. Hooper was promoted at the same times as David Coote and Halsey said at the time "Coote fully deserves his promotion, he’s a good referee and given he was suspended last year, he’s done very well to bounce back from it and have an excellent season.

"The same however, I must admit, cannot be said for Hooper. Madley and Jones are far better referees and they quite rightfully must be confused and disappointed with PGMOL’s decision. I personally would have put them on ahead of Simon."

The claims were hit back though by the PGMOL with a source saying "If you look at what they've done on a consistent basis over the course of the season, how they manage players and expectations, they have consistently performed to a really high level and pushed themselves into the frame.

"They've had a Premier League game each leading up to this and those games for both of them have gone fantastically well.

"It's a case that everyone has looked and thought they've shown they've got something about them. They're being given the opportunity now to rise in the Premier League."

PGMOL Managing Director Mike Riley, a Premier League referee until 2009, said: "Coote and Hooper will both make a positive contribution to the Select Group next season and we look forward to helping with their continued development."