Summer Transfer Window 2021

[Pacemaker]

So last weekend the following rumours were dissed by those that don't like opinion on a football website (or indeed doubt everything that was written)

Barry Bannan
James Garner

Both first reported on here. Just saying... :lol:

Indeed someone on Twitter claimed that neither could be true (nor could Thomas Henry or Freddie Woodman) until it was reported by say the BBC or Wales Online. Bannan was Sky Sports amongst others yesterday, Garner was a locally respected Manchester journalist before being picked up by others but all behind this place.

The Cooper story may still prove to be wrong but I think it's fair to say the sources are largely good

What effect if any will Cooper leaving have on these potential signings? I believe if we don’t install a decent manager soon, nobody of any quality will be signing.

 

[Risc]

So last weekend the following rumours were dissed by those that don't like opinion on a football website (or indeed doubt everything that was written)

Barry Bannan
James Garner

Both first reported on here. Just saying... :lol:

Indeed someone on Twitter claimed that neither could be true (nor could Thomas Henry or Freddie Woodman) until it was reported by say the BBC or Wales Online. Bannan was Sky Sports amongst others yesterday, Garner was a locally respected Manchester journalist before being picked up by others but all behind this place.

The Cooper story may still prove to be wrong but I think it's fair to say the sources are largely good

What effect if any will Cooper leaving have on these potential signings? I believe if we don’t install a decent manager soon, nobody of any quality will be signing.

Another reason for Toshack. I think he’ll be named “head coach”

He will be kept out of transfers and Andy Scott given complete control along with Winter.

Not a way I personally like a football club to be run but it’s happening more and more. Wonder if his old man still has any contacts at clubs that he can have a word with though?

I think we may see Alan Curtis named back on staff aswell.

 

[eteb]

So last weekend the following rumours were dissed by those that don't like opinion on a football website (or indeed doubt everything that was written)

Barry Bannan
James Garner

Both first reported on here. Just saying... :lol:

Indeed someone on Twitter claimed that neither could be true (nor could Thomas Henry or Freddie Woodman) until it was reported by say the BBC or Wales Online. Bannan was Sky Sports amongst others yesterday, Garner was a locally respected Manchester journalist before being picked up by others but all behind this place.

The Cooper story may still prove to be wrong but I think it's fair to say the sources are largely good

What effect if any will Cooper leaving have on these potential signings? I believe if we don’t install a decent manager soon, nobody of any quality will be signing.

no manager wont matter at all. Clubs have seen we can develop their best youngsters. The player by and large do what they are told when they go on loan

 

[Swansea93]

800K for Johansen of Fulham he done really well on loan at QPR second half of the season, would be a terrific signing here and worked with Eustace, although he’ll probably end up back at QPR.

 

[ARQS]

Another reason for Toshack. I think he’ll be named “head coach”

He will be kept out of transfers and Andy Scott given complete control along with Winter.

Not a way I personally like a football club to be run but it’s happening more and more. Wonder if his old man still has any contacts at clubs that he can have a word with though?

I think we may see Alan Curtis named back on staff aswell.

I wonder what contacts John Toshack would have having not managed at a decent level of club football for nigh on 20 years.

I bet Eustace has good contacts with his playing career.

 

[JoshTheJack]

Another reason for Toshack. I think he’ll be named “head coach”

He will be kept out of transfers and Andy Scott given complete control along with Winter.

Not a way I personally like a football club to be run but it’s happening more and more. Wonder if his old man still has any contacts at clubs that he can have a word with though?

I think we may see Alan Curtis named back on staff aswell.

I wonder what contacts John Toshack would have having not managed at a decent level of club football for nigh on 20 years.

I bet Eustace has good contacts with his playing career.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Toshack

 

[ARQS]

I wonder what contacts John Toshack would have having not managed at a decent level of club football for nigh on 20 years.

I bet Eustace has good contacts with his playing career.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Toshack

What’s your point?

Risc asked what contacts his old man would have.

 

[JoshTheJack]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Toshack

What’s your point?

Risc asked what contacts his old man would have.

Sorry didn't read the thread through,That'll teach me.

 

[Badlands]

Third picking on our weakness on the left!

 

[A4Jack]

David Kasumu to be the first signing under Martin I reckon.

21, physical centre midfielder and hugely talented

 

[Badlands]

David Kasumu to be the first signing under Martin I reckon.

21, physical centre midfielder and hugely talented

15 yellow cards in 30 games last season! A third of what our entire squad got for the whole of last season's Championship programme.

 

[LeonWasTheDog's]

David Kasumu to be the first signing under Martin I reckon.

21, physical centre midfielder and hugely talented

Hopefully we’ll see our squad and this thread grow quite a bit from now on. We certainly need it. Minimum 3 quality, senior players needed.

If I was completely naive I’d say they were waiting for the manager change before stepping up recruitment. Wishful thinking though I reckon.

 

[Swansea93]

Robbie Brady would be a decent signing on a free, I’m sure he played with Martin at Norwich.

James McCarthy another freebie, would be a good signing, if he fancies dropping into the championship.

 

[Risc]

David Kasumu to be the first signing under Martin I reckon.

21, physical centre midfielder and hugely talented

Was told about him yesterday, looks a player from the clips I have seen, although that isn't much to go by.

MK Dons will be seething.

 

[RodgerTheDodger]

Speaking as someone who is not a lawyer, but has shared too many dinners with corporate lawyers; a comment on transfers generally, if I may.

Clubs often say "We are not selling", fans say "We should have got a better price". A players contract is a contract of employment, not a contract to sell services, and as such the law is very different. This was first made clear with Bosman, and our own Courts have recently dismissed all attempts by employers to disguise contracts of employment as something else (Uber etc). Put simply, the Courts won't have it, neither should they.

There have been no Court cases to test what is custom and practice with football contracts, but the lawyers I have had conversations with are quite clear that the Courts will not support it. Specifically when the Courts get involved the law will turn out to be that, in the summer, if a player wants to leave and another club offers fair market value for his contract, the club cannot say no. Nobody thinks otherwise, it's a contract of employment and the Courts will not tolerate any suggestion of Indenture. And 'fair market value' is the rub, the club doesn't decide what that is, the Courts would ask the FA for guidance and the FA would probably point to transfermarkt. The club that tests this in Court (Spurs?) are likely to find they have invalidated their contract and their player is suddenly a free agent.

There is a parallel with the theatre and the run of a play. It is unclear how well the argument that the club makes a team for the season and the player has agreed to stay for that time will work in Court. It is noticeable that players desperate to leave in January always develop strong family reasons for needing to leave (even if it's only Newcastle Brown). There is centuries of case law on theatre contracts, the only way an actor who has signed for the run of a play can get out of it is illness or strong family reasons (and I mean really strong). What the Courts would make of the January window is anyone's guess, but the betting is that the ECJ would say, "It's there, so they can use it" and the same rules on fair value would apply.

If the loan system ever gets in front of the Courts, it will be gutted. The current system is clearly deeply unfair on the players and would not survive. The most wide spread view that I have heard is that if a player is out on loan for a year, then wants to stay, then he can, end of. As before, forcing him to return to his parent club would be a suggestion of Indenture and not tolerated.