Summer Transfer Window 2021

[Risc]

https://twitter.com/teamtalk/status/1422648470775681029?s=21

No idea on source and most likely putting 2 and 2 together but Ethan Laird latest in rumour mill.

 

[Thornburyswan]

https://twitter.com/teamtalk/status/1422648470775681029?s=21

No idea on source and most likely putting 2 and 2 together but Ethan Laird latest in rumour mill.

Interesting if true, almost a Cooperesque loan signing having played England U17/18/19s as well as MKDons would potentially provide Roberts cover at RB or RWB.

 

[Badlands]

Speaking as someone who is not a lawyer, but has shared too many dinners with corporate lawyers; a comment on transfers generally, if I may.

Clubs often say "We are not selling", fans say "We should have got a better price". A players contract is a contract of employment, not a contract to sell services, and as such the law is very different. This was first made clear with Bosman, and our own Courts have recently dismissed all attempts by employers to disguise contracts of employment as something else (Uber etc). Put simply, the Courts won't have it, neither should they.

There have been no Court cases to test what is custom and practice with football contracts, but the lawyers I have had conversations with are quite clear that the Courts will not support it. Specifically when the Courts get involved the law will turn out to be that, in the summer, if a player wants to leave and another club offers fair market value for his contract, the club cannot say no. Nobody thinks otherwise, it's a contract of employment and the Courts will not tolerate any suggestion of Indenture. And 'fair market value' is the rub, the club doesn't decide what that is, the Courts would ask the FA for guidance and the FA would probably point to transfermarkt. The club that tests this in Court (Spurs?) are likely to find they have invalidated their contract and their player is suddenly a free agent.

There is a parallel with the theatre and the run of a play. It is unclear how well the argument that the club makes a team for the season and the player has agreed to stay for that time will work in Court. It is noticeable that players desperate to leave in January always develop strong family reasons for needing to leave (even if it's only Newcastle Brown). There is centuries of case law on theatre contracts, the only way an actor who has signed for the run of a play can get out of it is illness or strong family reasons (and I mean really strong). What the Courts would make of the January window is anyone's guess, but the betting is that the ECJ would say, "It's there, so they can use it" and the same rules on fair value would apply.

If the loan system ever gets in front of the Courts, it will be gutted. The current system is clearly deeply unfair on the players and would not survive. The most wide spread view that I have heard is that if a player is out on loan for a year, then wants to stay, then he can, end of. As before, forcing him to return to his parent club would be a suggestion of Indenture and not tolerated.

The most wide spread view that I have heard is that if a player is out on loan for a year, then wants to stay, then he can, end of. As before, forcing him to return to his parent club would be a suggestion of Indenture and not tolerated.

It would be interesting and should be tested.
As I understand it, when an employee has worked a year (even if the contract was for one year) they are considered and must be treated as a permanent member of staff and can not be replaced nor can their post be re-advertised legally without the employees agreement.
The difference with football is the contract is with the parent club.

 

[RodgerTheDodger]

The trouble is that no one has forgotten Bosman. He won his case but after it he was a pariah and never had another club. It seems to me that there is currently a gentlemen's agreement between clubs and players to not go to law, but that won't last forever. That is why clubs like Swansea are careful not to push it too hard, they don't want to be the test case. I was told by a very well connected German lawyer some 15 years ago that the ECJ were looking forward to getting their teeth into football player's contracts, but at that distance of time the judges on the ECJ will have mostly done their time and been replaced so who knows what they think now.

I am certainly of the view that the current loan system is pernicious and should be challenged. If the player wants to stay with his parent club that's fair enough, but if he doesn't he should be free. UEFA should get their fingers out and fix it before the Courts get involved.

 

[Swansea93]

Piroe moved from number 9 to number 17, new striker coming in?

 

[PSumbler]

https://planetswans.co.uk/2021/08/05/is-martin-looking-at-dundee-united-striker/

 

[Vetchonian]

Piroe moved from number 9 to number 17, new striker coming in?

Where did you get that inof form on squad nos

Official site has Lowe at 9,Whittaker 17 no number assigned to Piroe or Joseph

 

[Swansea93]

Piroe moved from number 9 to number 17, new striker coming in?

Where did you get that inof form on squad nos

Official site has Lowe at 9,Whittaker 17 no number assigned to Piroe or Joseph

The latest training gallery pictures, Whittaker moved to 11, Lowe is number 10 and was at Forest Green and Southampton games and Piroe 17.

https://www.swanseacity.com/news/gallery-training-ahead-blackburn

 

[Vetchonian]

Where did you get that inof form on squad nos

Official site has Lowe at 9,Whittaker 17 no number assigned to Piroe or Joseph

The latest training gallery pictures, Whittaker moved to 11, Lowe is number 10 and was at Forest Green and Southampton games and Piroe 17.

https://www.swanseacity.com/news/gallery-training-ahead-blackburn

ok thanks....interesting

 

[Risc]

<<How much work ahead? Transfer backing?>>

There’s a lot of work to be done, not just in the transfer market but on the training pitch, so the timing isn't ideal. After speaking to Julian and the guys I've been reassured about a lot of things and hopefully that’ll show quickly. It’s a good squad. It’s just a little bit thin at the moment.

 

[Risc]

Also think his comments regarding Roberts may mean a sale could well be in place. Could be wrong though, only read the comments not seen the context of question etc.

 

[Pontyjack]

Also think his comments regarding Roberts may mean a sale could well be in place. Could be wrong though, only read the comments not seen the context of question etc.

Can’t really see anyone buying him whilst he’s injured given that he is still some way off being available to play. January is clearly a different matter though.

 

[Swansea93]

https://mobile.twitter.com/thenorthbank2/status/1423310153361862660

 

[Risc]

https://mobile.twitter.com/thenorthbank2/status/1423310153361862660

Not really excited about making this a regular thing of signing anyone released by Bristol City.

 

[swan65split]

Get Messi to Rossis now!