Vipotnik , Bianchini & Eom

[exiledclaseboy]

I’m attempting to wonder what the art of the possible is with Vipotnik. Short of possibly dropping him I can’t come up with anything.

That’s the beautiful thing about meaningless platitudes. They can mean whatever you want them to. Use your imagination!!

 

[Londonlisa2001]

That’s the beautiful thing about meaningless platitudes. They can mean whatever you want them to. Use your imagination!!

I’m imagining a different forward. Does that count?

 

[exiledclaseboy]

I’m imagining a different forward. Does that count?

Absolutely in the art of the possible.

 

[Vetchonian]

Literally a goal machine for us

He was yet so.many fans called him out as lazy because he didn't run around a lot.......fans eh

 

[Swanjaxs]

He was yet so.many fans called him out as lazy because he didn't run around a lot.......fans eh

First time in saw Jason Scotland was a couple of years before he signed for us playing for Dundee Utd against Celtic in the Scottish Cup Final at Hampden, he was by far and away the best player on a pitch that included Henrick Larsson, I was absolutely ecstatic when we signed him, and he didn't disappoint.

 

[NEATH JACK 8]

Scotland was lazy but he was an immense striker. Sounds daft but it does make sense.
As for the actual thread.....all three of them, and Ronald too, are not good enough at Championship level. They may have one good moment every 30 minutes if you're lucky. Now it doesn't matter what you do to them, ply them with meth before the game, whatever, they still aren't good enough if you want a decent Championship team. As stated earlier about if a duck quacks.....

 

[LaJollaJack]

Yeah because your suggestion of sacking Williams and his entire team is a great use of our money. As is allowing Darling to run down his contract and leave on a free. Or to pay for Peart Harris to be with us.

As I said, I’d keep Eom and Ronald, possibly Vipotnik unless we could find someone to buy him.

But if, as reported, we are in the market for players, we need a new wide player and a new striker. Plus a midfielder. And a full back. It’s a better use of money than signing players like Cyrus Christie to pad the numbers. It doesn’t need to be all now. I don’t think we’ll go down and we won’t go up so we can plan for the summer.

As you will no doubt know Williams is a proper ‘sunk cost’ and the decision to replace him should be made as such - ie get rid of the sunken fella, ‘prompto’. He’s harming our ability to kick on to the next level. So yeah, absolutely the very best use of our money, ‘yeah’.

No point harking back to the Cyrus signing either, let it all go.

Our new, new owners won’t be as patient nor unambitious as you, I’m pretty sure.

We need a proper manager and proper SD to execute and deliver our new owners’ ambitions of next level, ‘prompto’

And sweat the significant investment in propelling us to the next level, on pitch.

 

[Vetchonian]

As you will no doubt know Williams is a proper ‘sunk cost’ and the decision to replace him should be made as such - ie get rid of the sunken fella, ‘prompto’. He’s harming our ability to kick on to the next level. So yeah, absolutely the very best use of our money, ‘yeah’.

No point harking back to the Cyrus signing either, let it all go.

Our new, new owners won’t be as patient nor unambitious as you, I’m pretty sure.

We need a proper manager and proper SD to execute and deliver our new owners’ ambitions of next level, ‘prompto’

And sweat the significant investment in propelling us to the next level, on pitch.

That new manager will also need a new squad of players too.....so with the sunk cost I don't think these new owners are looking to spend that much.
As much as you dislike Williams where we are is not all down to him

I'm sure these three players were watched by other clubs apart from us...clubs who pay better than our much discussed low player wages so why are they here and not there?

 

[LaJollaJack]

That new manager will also need a new squad of players too.....so with the sunk cost I don't think these new owners are looking to spend that much.
As much as you dislike Williams where we are is not all down to him

I'm sure these three players were watched by other clubs apart from us...clubs who pay better than our much discussed low player wages so why are they here and not there?

Vetch, ofc a new manager won’t need a squad of new players, ffs.
Williams flattered us with his initial Martin-breakout thang. He initially distanced himself from that rot as a PR spin.

His most recent CV-embellishing squeeze tactics to maximise possession stats has shown him up, along with the WBA debacle - he’s just another Mini-Martin sleazeball, with no hair.

We have a very decent young squad with a healthy mix of seniority to kick us on

 

[Vetchonian]

Vetch, ofc a new manager won’t need a squad of new players, ffs.
Williams flattered us with his initial Martin-breakout thang. He initially distanced himself from that rot as a PR spin.

His most recent CV-embellishing squeeze tactics to maximise possession stats has shown him up, along with the WBA debacle - he’s just another Mini-Martin sleazeball, with no hair.

We have a very decent young squad with a healthy mix of seniority to kick us on

Your reply shows your lack of football knowledge....go back and read this thread again .....several sensible knowledgeable posters have made some insightful posts

 

[Londonlisa2001]

As you will no doubt know Williams is a proper ‘sunk cost’ and the decision to replace him should be made as such - ie get rid of the sunken fella, ‘prompto’. He’s harming our ability to kick on to the next level. So yeah, absolutely the very best use of our money, ‘yeah’.

No point harking back to the Cyrus signing either, let it all go.

Our new, new owners won’t be as patient nor unambitious as you, I’m pretty sure.

We need a proper manager and proper SD to execute and deliver our new owners’ ambitions of next level, ‘prompto’

And sweat the significant investment in propelling us to the next level, on pitch.

It’s really not a sunk cost. If he leaves, we will need to pay up his contract. And the contracts of the coaching staff we ask to go with him. He has another 2 years left on his contract. As do they. If we have to pay another manager that two years worth of salary that’s an extra cost. Plus any compensation for someone else.

The biggest waste of money at the club at the moment is the £1-2m a month we have to find to cover our cash shortfall. We have a huge amount of dead weight. Not on,y in the pitch.

A sensible structure with fewer off field costs and fewer players but of higher quality (a capsule wardrobe squad if you like)] is what’s needed.

Players like Christie, Peart Harris, all those out on loan, Fulton, Allen (sadly), that Indonesian full back I can never quite remember the name of, etc etc etc, need to leave. Better 18 strong players than 30 that are not up to it. Back fill with under 23s.

At the same time, stop giving away stadium naming rights. Find strong commercial partners, look at season ticket and match day ticket pricing to get more bums on seats (with the associated merchandise and food spend), and consider carefully any managers that could be tempted here.

Most of all, unless real value comes up this window, wait until the summer. As getting 8th rather than 18th doesn’t matter.

I hope they are ambitious. But being ambitious needs to be tempered with careful risk management. If it takes two or three years to build a base so be it. Better that than a quick charge for the top leading to us imploding.

We need a top to bottom review of exactly where we are and what our realistic ambitions could be. Not some knee jerk nonsense.

 

[LaJollaJack]

Ofc Williams is a sunk cost - that’s elementary level accounting principles, mun

Edit : if you don’t get that you don’t get much, clearly

 

[LaJollaJack]

For the avoidance of doubt Lisa - we need to ship Williams out, he’s a sunk cost - ie the decisions right NOW are around optimising our chances of kicking on - and as such the Williams (sunk) cost is immaterial.

It really is that simple. Yeah ?

 

[Londonlisa2001]

Ofc Williams is a sunk cost - that’s elementary level accounting principles, mun

Edit : if you don’t get that you don’t get much, clearly

No it’s not.

You are viewing Williams as an individual not as the holder of a position that has to be filled.

We accrue Williams’s wages over his contract. We either pay them as we go or all at once. But if we pay them all at once (because we sack him) we have to pay another manager IN ADDITION.
A sunk cost is one which has been incurred and cannot be avoided whatever decision is made.
If we sack Williams he (as an individual) gets the same overall but we pay someone else to be the manager (the position that has to be filled).

If we avoid sacking him we avoid the extra cost of the new person who holds the position that has to be filled…

Let’s hope the new owners understand the difference.

 

[LaJollaJack]

Oh dear, you’re clearly coming at this from a bookkeeper’s perspective instead of a strategic front foot investor, and still missing the point re Williams and the absolute sunk cost he is.

Kinell - we don’t want to avoid sacking - he’s sunk, like a dead parrot.

You’ve tied yourself up in a silly little loop, along with your harking back loop.

Clever ish Folk like you are better placed adding not Detracting from the collective Swans’ offering right now, surely ?