Vipotnik

[Itchysphincter]

i agree but think perhaps the talk of another guy coming in has made him think?
i am hoping he stays and the 2 of them, him and Idah can feed off one another on the training ground and both improve

I don’t think a striker can decide if he’s going to score goals or not depending on whether the club is going to sign someone new. I’d put money on any striker backing themselves to score if they are on the pitch and getting the ball. Confidence, form and sharpness are bound to drop if you’re sitting in the bench watching someone else who can’t score many playing ahead of you week in week out.

 

[cmajack]

I don’t think a striker can decide if he’s going to score goals or not depending on whether the club is going to sign someone new. I’d put money on any striker backing themselves to score if they are on the pitch and getting the ball. Confidence, form and sharpness are bound to drop if you’re sitting in the bench watching someone else who can’t score many playing ahead of you week in week out.

At the moment Vipotnik is playing well, could be with better players he's showing what he's about, but let's not kid ourselves on the evidence of last season we've misjudged his talent. He was slow, sluggish and certainly not getting in the right areas when crosses were coming into the box , and against Plymouth at home he missed a hatful of chances that most decent strikers would have been seen walking away with the match ball.

 

[peter]

I don’t think a striker can decide if he’s going to score goals or not depending on whether the club is going to sign someone new. I’d put money on any striker backing themselves to score if they are on the pitch and getting the ball. Confidence, form and sharpness are bound to drop if you’re sitting in the bench watching someone else who can’t score many playing ahead of you week in week out.

you are right but compitition will sharpen in first instance Vip which in turn will push Idah, for whatever reason up until last 2 games you must agree Vip has not been firing on all cylinders, his movement nor awarment was not there was it ,? look i want the lad to do very well as does every swans supporter, and for me the compitition will improve him for one and hopefully both idah and Wales, time will tell

 

[Magic_Michu]

I was more impressed with his assist on the weekend than any of his goals in the last week…. Absolutely beautiful genius.

I’ll be gutted if he leaves today - which I expect he will.

There’s got to be some dent in what has been a magnificent transfer window.

 

[Itchysphincter]

you are right but compitition will sharpen in first instance Vip which in turn will push Idah, for whatever reason up until last 2 games you must agree Vip has not been firing on all cylinders, his movement nor awarment was not there was it ,? look i want the lad to do very well as does every swans supporter, and for me the compitition will improve him for one and hopefully both idah and Wales, time will tell

I don’t disagree with any of your points but people seem to be looking for what’s not there. People said he’s rubbish so they want to be proven right, but instead of complaining about his pace, movement, effort, etc maybe let’s see if he can score a few goals if he gets a little run in the side. Goals is all that counts and if he gets a few we’ll see what he’s made of when we hit a sticky patch.

 

[Whaleoilbeefhooked]

It just goes to show that if you play him in the right system, he’s a different player when he plays for Wales.

 

[Neath_Jack]

This Vip discussion appears to be similar to what Celtic fans feel about Idah.

 

[Itchysphincter]

This Vip discussion appears to be similar to what Celtic fans feel about Idah.

Agreed.

Vip came into a poor side, playing poorly and managed poorly by a poor manager. Starved of service there isn’t a striker in world football who would have thrived in that set up. Things have changed, the system is tweaked and there is more quality on the ball now, let’s see what he can make of it.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

No. No he wasn't. Not in goals scored when playing upfront, which are, after all, the raison d'etre of a striker. The figures are pretty clear on that. A 5/6 week purple patch when he wasn't even playing upfront seems to have convinced a lot of people otherwise. Including you it would seem.

Cullen has been, to be charitable, not very good as a striker for as long as we've tried him there. He wasn't very good four years ago when he had Joel Piroe supporting him and Morgan Whittaker kicking his heels on the bench instead, and he's not very good at it now.

The difference in the way the team has played this season with someone competent leading the line has made the difference so obvious I'm kinda surprised that anyone is arguing to the contrary.

Yes he was.

Not sure what figures you are talking about given Cullen was top scorer last season but that doesn’t actually matter to the point.

I’m not remotely convinced Cullen is a good striker. I don’t believe he is. But with the exception of the past week or so, Vipotnik has also not been a good striker. The difference in the two last season was that Cullen was contributing at least something to the team in terms of effort, work rate, some ability to retain possession, and Vipotnik was doing none of that.

Quite why you’ve decided that a couple of goals and two much better performances now makes Vipotnik a stand out striker that was woefully underserved last season is beyond me.

I hope he kicks on and does much better this year, but for you to repeatedly rewrite history about his almost always inept performances last year, to the extent that you’ve declared a few times you’re happy with our attacking choices even without signing anyone else, is silly.

Cullen is not what we need up front. To date, Vipotnik is not what we need up front. Presumably that’s why we are signing a striker. Between a new striker and. Vipotnik (if he continues on his current trajectory) and Wales if he is any good (and we haven’t seen either way as yet) maybe we will get nearer to what we need up front.

 

[Jackareme]

Roster...

Sorry living in North America for more than a decade does this to you!! My bad

 

[Dr. Winston]

Yes he was.

Not sure what figures you are talking about given Cullen was top scorer last season but that doesn’t actually matter to the point.

You're quite right. As this is a discussion over which one of them served the team better as a striker last season Cullen being top scorer doesn't actually matter as most of his goals came when he played in a completely different position. Glad we sorted that out.

Quite why you’ve decided that a couple of goals and two much better performances now makes Vipotnik a stand out striker that was woefully underserved last season is beyond me.

I haven't decided anything about Vipotnik based on "a couple of goals and two much better performances". I started forming my conclusions last season when Vipotnik was clearly being messed around by an incompetent manager and taking much of the blame for said manager's decisions from a fanbase far happier to slag a player off than take a few minutes to ask themselves why they might be struggling. He's not the first player to find himself in that position here, he probably won't be the last.

I have been pretty consistent in saying that Vip deserved time and backing in a team that plays to his strengths.

I hope he kicks on and does much better this year, but for you to repeatedly rewrite history about his almost always inept performances last year, to the extent that you’ve declared a few times you’re happy with our attacking choices even without signing anyone else, is silly.

It's not "rewriting history" if I've always been saying it now is it? "Rewriting history" is ignoring the fact that we finished not a million miles off the playoffs last season, indeed, could easily have made them with the exact same forwards had we sacked Williams sooner because it doesn't suit your little diatribes about Vipotnik.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

You're quite right. As this is a discussion over which one of them served the team better as a striker last season Cullen being top scorer doesn't actually matter as most of his goals came when he played in a completely different position. Glad we sorted that out.



I haven't decided anything about Vipotnik based on "a couple of goals and two much better performances". I started forming my conclusions last season when Vipotnik was clearly being messed around by an incompetent manager and taking much of the blame for said manager's decisions from a fanbase far happier to slag a player off than take a few minutes to ask themselves why they might be struggling. He's not the first player to find himself in that position here, he probably won't be the last.

I have been pretty consistent in saying that Vip deserved time and backing in a team that plays to his strengths.



It's not "rewriting history" if I've always been saying it now is it? "Rewriting history" is ignoring the fact that we finished not a million miles off the playoffs last season, indeed, could easily have made them with the exact same forwards had we sacked Williams sooner because it doesn't suit your little diatribes about Vipotnik.

There is no diatribe about Vipotnik.

I just believe he was rightly behind Cullen last season. This season at the moment he rightly is ahead of Cullen.

Your overreaction on this is amusing.

 

[DJack]

Sorry living in North America for more than a decade does this to you!! My bad

Stone him!






...sorry

 

[Blackpooljack]

Is there a formation that allows us to play both VP and Idah at the same time ?

 

[Jackareme]

Yes - when chasing a game - otherwise no - i think we will continue to start with one “up top”