Weekend Games Off

[Londonlisa2001]

Genuinely, you are being ridiculous. This is an absolutely seismic event for the country. In 500 years’ time yesterday will be talked about in any assessment of our history.

It seems very seismic for you but not for me in the slightest, watching my brother die of cancer at 20 and losing my dad and gran last year was seismic, I'm sorry for your loss of your Queen but you'll have to forgive me if it doesn't impact me the same way.

As I’ve said (for years actually whenever they’ve been discussed), I’m a Republican as I believe the whole idea to be profoundly undemocratic and something which has no place in the 21st century.
But that’s irrelevant as I didn’t say it was seismic for me but for the country.

The Queen was our biggest link to the past. The Second World War, the Empire, the whole little England mentality that leads to an extreme right wing government voted for by people that mistake an Old Etonian accent as somehow synonymous with a greater intelligence and see people like Johnson and Rees Mogg ‘leading’ us ordinary plebs as the rightful order of things. An insular nation of scared people looking to a ‘glorious past’ as some sort of fantasy that can be achieved again if only we didn’t have so many pesky foreigners arriving in their boats.
The whole establishment was kept in its safe little order with the Queen at the top and the country being urged to tug its collective forelock by a rabidly self serving press.
The golden thread running through that old order has gone, and with it, the whole structure will gradually unravel and be exposed for what it is - a system designed to keep us in our place.
In the short term, the pomp and circumstance will remain, but less of it. Charles will be a reforming monarch as he will recognise that he has to be. He will make it smaller, simpler, and as a result, the mystery that is required to keep the whole charade going, will disappear, leaving the hope of a true democracy that will, in time, result in the country deciding they don’t want them any more.
The country now has the opportunity to look forward and decide what it wants to be in a modern world that won’t be so dominated by the past.
As I say, seismic change.

The reason I believe her death deserving of respect is because by doing so, we are showing respect to the past, the country of our grandparents and their parents and their parents. One final act of acknowledgment and thanks to those generations before we can look forward with new eyes. Plus she was a 96 year old that served her nation in the way they once wanted her to for her whole life and it’s good manners to thank her for it, irrespective of personal views. I thank her because that’s what my grandparents would have wanted. Just for a few days.

One football match being postponed is a small gesture. Plus it stops us looking dreadful. Which is always welcome.

I’m sorry you lost your brother at such a young age. I genuinely don’t understand anyone who pretends to feel sorrow for someone they never knew as though it was a family member. I have never suggested that to be anything other than ridiculous nonsense.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

I think football has made a poor decision to be honest. And out of kilter with most other sports which are going ahead with appropriate tributes, that's what football should have done.

It’s because most other sports can be more certain of decent behaviour.

Imagine Liverpool doing their whole booing bit.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

I think football has made a poor decision to be honest. And out of kilter with most other sports which are going ahead with appropriate tributes, that's what football should have done.

It’s because most other sports can be more certain of decent behaviour.

Imagine Liverpool doing their whole booing bit.

I agree - to a point. I'm pretty convinced the football authorities have made this decision because they're afraid of the behaviour of a tiny minority of fans during the tributes. But that's not a reason to postpone an entire schedule, especially down to grass roots level. If fans of some clubs shame themselves, and I've no doubt some of ours would have done exactly that as well, then that's on the individuals involved, not the sport as a whole or a reflection on the rest of us. I think a couple of hours watching their usual games would have been good for the millions of football fans and the nation as a whole this weekend and the authorities have made a decision that they didn't need to make because of the probable actions of a few, and for me that's poor.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

It’s because most other sports can be more certain of decent behaviour.

Imagine Liverpool doing their whole booing bit.

I agree - to a point. I'm pretty convinced the football authorities have made this decision because they're afraid of the behaviour of a tiny minority of fans during the tributes. But that's not a reason to postpone an entire schedule, especially down to grass roots level. If fans of some clubs shame themselves, and I've no doubt some of ours would have done exactly that as well, then that's on the individuals involved, not the sport as a whole or a reflection on the rest of us. I think a couple of hours watching their usual games would have been good for the millions of football fans and the nation as a whole this weekend and the authorities have made a decision that they didn't need to make because of the probable actions of a few, and for me that's poor.

Oh I completely agree re grass roots. I guess it just becomes an argument about where you cut off. Easier to stop the whole lot. I’m genuinely convinced the Welsh clubs would have had issues and that could have led to a whole can of worms being opened. Football has long been dominated by the behaviour of a small minority.

 

[Darran]

I agree - to a point. I'm pretty convinced the football authorities have made this decision because they're afraid of the behaviour of a tiny minority of fans during the tributes. But that's not a reason to postpone an entire schedule, especially down to grass roots level. If fans of some clubs shame themselves, and I've no doubt some of ours would have done exactly that as well, then that's on the individuals involved, not the sport as a whole or a reflection on the rest of us. I think a couple of hours watching their usual games would have been good for the millions of football fans and the nation as a whole this weekend and the authorities have made a decision that they didn't need to make because of the probable actions of a few, and for me that's poor.

Oh I completely agree re grass roots. I guess it just becomes an argument about where you cut off. Easier to stop the whole lot. I’m genuinely convinced the Welsh clubs would have had issues and that could have led to a whole can of worms being opened. Football has long been dominated by the behaviour of a small minority.

I was at Rushden and Diamonds away on April 1st 2002 when they had a minutes silence for Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother,it was horrific and that was our fans,shouts of “good enough for the old c*nt” was horrific.
Oh and we lost 4-0 too.

 

[Nocountryforoldjack]

It seems very seismic for you but not for me in the slightest, watching my brother die of cancer at 20 and losing my dad and gran last year was seismic, I'm sorry for your loss of your Queen but you'll have to forgive me if it doesn't impact me the same way.

As I’ve said (for years actually whenever they’ve been discussed), I’m a Republican as I believe the whole idea to be profoundly undemocratic and something which has no place in the 21st century.
But that’s irrelevant as I didn’t say it was seismic for me but for the country.

The Queen was our biggest link to the past. The Second World War, the Empire, the whole little England mentality that leads to an extreme right wing government voted for by people that mistake an Old Etonian accent as somehow synonymous with a greater intelligence and see people like Johnson and Rees Mogg ‘leading’ us ordinary plebs as the rightful order of things. An insular nation of scared people looking to a ‘glorious past’ as some sort of fantasy that can be achieved again if only we didn’t have so many pesky foreigners arriving in their boats.
The whole establishment was kept in its safe little order with the Queen at the top and the country being urged to tug its collective forelock by a rabidly self serving press.
The golden thread running through that old order has gone, and with it, the whole structure will gradually unravel and be exposed for what it is - a system designed to keep us in our place.
In the short term, the pomp and circumstance will remain, but less of it. Charles will be a reforming monarch as he will recognise that he has to be. He will make it smaller, simpler, and as a result, the mystery that is required to keep the whole charade going, will disappear, leaving the hope of a true democracy that will, in time, result in the country deciding they don’t want them any more.
The country now has the opportunity to look forward and decide what it wants to be in a modern world that won’t be so dominated by the past.
As I say, seismic change.

The reason I believe her death deserving of respect is because by doing so, we are showing respect to the past, the country of our grandparents and their parents and their parents. One final act of acknowledgment and thanks to those generations before we can look forward with new eyes. Plus she was a 96 year old that served her nation in the way they once wanted her to for her whole life and it’s good manners to thank her for it, irrespective of personal views. I thank her because that’s what my grandparents would have wanted. Just for a few days.

One football match being postponed is a small gesture. Plus it stops us looking dreadful. Which is always welcome.

I’m sorry you lost your brother at such a young age. I genuinely don’t understand anyone who pretends to feel sorrow for someone they never knew as though it was a family member. I have never suggested that to be anything other than ridiculous nonsense.

Thank you.

Ah the colonial past... Well I don't have to go into that for you do I,I think most of us know the issues there. Change is good maybe her death will be the catalyst for change. For her family on a personal level yes it's terrible but from the past and constitutional level no so much, everything changes and end's and begins.

I just don't get why this country owes her so much we never asked for it, she was always part of the fittings now she's gone, nothing really to see here as far as I'm concerned, I never knew her personally and she never impacted my life in any way apart from the street party in penclawdd 1977 .

 

[lidojack]

We are going to have a minute silence at some point for her, so if that's the reason behind cancelling these games it's only really delaying it.

Take it as an opportunity to broaden your footballing horizons. Plenty of European games on offer over the weekend!

 

[Londonlisa2001]

As I’ve said (for years actually whenever they’ve been discussed), I’m a Republican as I believe the whole idea to be profoundly undemocratic and something which has no place in the 21st century.
But that’s irrelevant as I didn’t say it was seismic for me but for the country.

The Queen was our biggest link to the past. The Second World War, the Empire, the whole little England mentality that leads to an extreme right wing government voted for by people that mistake an Old Etonian accent as somehow synonymous with a greater intelligence and see people like Johnson and Rees Mogg ‘leading’ us ordinary plebs as the rightful order of things. An insular nation of scared people looking to a ‘glorious past’ as some sort of fantasy that can be achieved again if only we didn’t have so many pesky foreigners arriving in their boats.
The whole establishment was kept in its safe little order with the Queen at the top and the country being urged to tug its collective forelock by a rabidly self serving press.
The golden thread running through that old order has gone, and with it, the whole structure will gradually unravel and be exposed for what it is - a system designed to keep us in our place.
In the short term, the pomp and circumstance will remain, but less of it. Charles will be a reforming monarch as he will recognise that he has to be. He will make it smaller, simpler, and as a result, the mystery that is required to keep the whole charade going, will disappear, leaving the hope of a true democracy that will, in time, result in the country deciding they don’t want them any more.
The country now has the opportunity to look forward and decide what it wants to be in a modern world that won’t be so dominated by the past.
As I say, seismic change.

The reason I believe her death deserving of respect is because by doing so, we are showing respect to the past, the country of our grandparents and their parents and their parents. One final act of acknowledgment and thanks to those generations before we can look forward with new eyes. Plus she was a 96 year old that served her nation in the way they once wanted her to for her whole life and it’s good manners to thank her for it, irrespective of personal views. I thank her because that’s what my grandparents would have wanted. Just for a few days.

One football match being postponed is a small gesture. Plus it stops us looking dreadful. Which is always welcome.

I’m sorry you lost your brother at such a young age. I genuinely don’t understand anyone who pretends to feel sorrow for someone they never knew as though it was a family member. I have never suggested that to be anything other than ridiculous nonsense.

Thank you.

Ah the colonial past... Well I don't have to go into that for you do I,I think most of us know the issues there. Change is good maybe her death will be the catalyst for change. For her family on a personal level yes it's terrible but from the past and constitutional level no so much, everything changes and end's and begins.

I just don't get why this country owes her so much we never asked for it, she was always part of the fittings now she's gone, nothing really to see here as far as I'm concerned, I never knew her personally and she never impacted my life in any way apart from the street party in penclawdd 1977 .

I remember the street party in 1977 as well. Killay rather than Penclawdd although I spent a huge amount of my youth in Penclawdd.

 

[sainthelens]

I'm no royalist, and I'm sure hundreds even thousands down the Liberty arnt either. But really hope we show class and observe the minute silence properly.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

I'm no royalist, and I'm sure hundreds even thousands down the Liberty arnt either. But really hope we show class and observe the minute silence properly.

99% of us will. A tiny minority won’t and they’ll get all the publicity.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

We are going to have a minute silence at some point for her, so if that's the reason behind cancelling these games it's only really delaying it.

Yup. Which is why it’s daft.

 

[MajorR]

There’s talk that next weekends fixtures may also have to be cancelled as there won’t be enough police available to actually police games! The funeral is going to be a huge operational commitment for the police with hundreds of thousands likely to turn up in central London, all the Heads of State, dignitaries etc the fear is there won't be any cops left.

Never met her, but the Queen struck me as being a decent person with more moral fibre than the shysters we’ve got in power in the Houses of Parliament.

 

[Malaga]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/27/queen-secret-influence-laws-revealed-scottish-government-memo?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

 

[Malaga]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/28/prince-charles-pressured-ministers-change-law-queen-consent?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

 

[Longlostjack]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/28/prince-charles-pressured-ministers-change-law-queen-consent?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Needs sorting.