Brewster

[Itchysphincter]

I don't think he is the real deal regarding top 4/6 level. I just think he is lacks that lightening pace for a guy his size at PL level and his all round game needs improving.

He’s very special.

 

[BanosSwan]

Keep the faith!

But no, he isn't.

Think the Ayew situation is slightly more concerning.

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[Ringwood Jack]

Think the Ayew situation is slightly more concerning.

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Whether he stays or gets replaced. Unless Lowe will be his replacement !?

 

[Vetchfielder]

Brewster is already good enough to hold down a place at somewhere like Sheffield United (although they do rotate a lot up front as a matter of policy) Newcastle, Leeds, Southampton etc . I can't see him coming back to the Championship

 

[JackSomething]

To me it's pretty obvious that a second season banging them in for a Championship club would do far more for a young striker's development than struggling in a relegation battling PL team. Not to mention he only has a half-season of Championship experience.

Tammy spent a season banging them in for Bristol City. Chelsea didn't consider him ready for their first team, so he came to us. He struggled and they still didn't consider him ready. Another season banging them in for Villa and they judged him good enough for them. Perhaps he would have had his chance a year earlier if he'd gone back to the Championship instead of coming to us?

That's my take on it, you're obviously welcome to disagree.

Not sure why the continued comparison with Tammy is. Brewster is further down the road nearer Liverpool's first team squad that Tammy was with Chelsea. Are you suggesting a couple more seasons like Tammy Brewster needs in the Championship?

Yeah, why would I compare him with Tammy? After all, they were both 19-year old players at Top 4 PL clubs at the time we took them on loan, both shone for England's youth teams and they play in the same position. Not enough similarities there to use Tammy's experience as a comparison at all is there?

If Tammy had stayed at Chelsea that season, he would have been presumably third choice for the lone striker role behind Morata and Giroud. Brewster's situation is harder to determine, given Liverpool's more fluid system, but presumably he's behind Firmino, Mane, Salah, Minamino and Origi for a starting place, although he doesn't offer anything like the versatility of most of those players. Not sure 6th choice to fill one of 3 positions is any better than 3rd choice for 1 position myself. That is if he's considered a better choice by Klopp than Harry Wilson or Harvey Elliot.

I thought I'd made my point pretty clear, but will try again. I believe that a year playing for a team who just finished in the Top 6 of the Championship where he'll get plenty of chances to score and will be one of the first names on the team-sheet will be a better thing for his development than going to a struggling PL side who will not provide him with many goalscoring chances and who will probably reduce his minutes in favour of a veteran striker who they feel will be more valuable in fighting relegation than a youngster learning his trade.

That's my take, feel free to give an argument showing why you feel differently.

 

[swan65split]

Ive said it once, and say it again, he needs to toughen a bit more, better chance of that with us than in the PL

deep down we are the best option for him, if Ayew stays!

 

[JackSomething]

Although having said all that about there still being a slight chance Brewster could come back here, I see the Athletic have a report that he's in with a very strong chance of staying at Liverpool this season, especially if Origi is sold. He may even be involved in the Community Shield.

 

[Ringwood Jack]

Not sure why the continued comparison with Tammy is. Brewster is further down the road nearer Liverpool's first team squad that Tammy was with Chelsea. Are you suggesting a couple more seasons like Tammy Brewster needs in the Championship?

Yeah, why would I compare him with Tammy? After all, they were both 19-year old players at Top 4 PL clubs at the time we took them on loan, both shone for England's youth teams and they play in the same position. Not enough similarities there to use Tammy's experience as a comparison at all is there?

If Tammy had stayed at Chelsea that season, he would have been presumably third choice for the lone striker role behind Morata and Giroud. Brewster's situation is harder to determine, given Liverpool's more fluid system, but presumably he's behind Firmino, Mane, Salah, Minamino and Origi for a starting place, although he doesn't offer anything like the versatility of most of those players. Not sure 6th choice to fill one of 3 positions is any better than 3rd choice for 1 position myself. That is if he's considered a better choice by Klopp than Harry Wilson or Harvey Elliot.

I thought I'd made my point pretty clear, but will try again. I believe that a year playing for a team who just finished in the Top 6 of the Championship where he'll get plenty of chances to score and will be one of the first names on the team-sheet will be a better thing for his development than going to a struggling PL side who will not provide him with many goalscoring chances and who will probably reduce his minutes in favour of a veteran striker who they feel will be more valuable in fighting relegation than a youngster learning his trade.

That's my take, feel free to give an argument showing why you feel differently.

My thoughts are if Liverpool and backing his ability then they surely have to develop Brewster further. Our opinions differ at this point. Yours is he should play in the Championship again score a shedful of goals again and mine is he should be given a squad role at Liverpool or be loaned out to a Prem side or European alternative to prove he can step up. You want him back with us (most of us do) the reality it is not going to happen so we move on. The only caveat is i guess if Brewster has any say in his immediate future then he may request to come back to us for a full season. With comparing Brewster and Tammy, we had Tammy in his second Championship season loan stint and we have had Brewster for half a season and has proved the Championship is maybe the level now in his career he shouldn't be playing.

 

[Longlostjack]

Would love Brewster to come back. Realistically it‘s not going to happen. A loan deal with a Bundesliga club would probably be the next stage if Klopp thinks he‘s not quite ready.

 

[TNT]

Well done Cooper for bringing him in the first place. May not be a cool thing to say, but hey...

 

[Darran]

https://twitter.com/sportspeteo/status/1299443409380311047?s=21

 

[JackSomething]

Yeah, why would I compare him with Tammy? After all, they were both 19-year old players at Top 4 PL clubs at the time we took them on loan, both shone for England's youth teams and they play in the same position. Not enough similarities there to use Tammy's experience as a comparison at all is there?

If Tammy had stayed at Chelsea that season, he would have been presumably third choice for the lone striker role behind Morata and Giroud. Brewster's situation is harder to determine, given Liverpool's more fluid system, but presumably he's behind Firmino, Mane, Salah, Minamino and Origi for a starting place, although he doesn't offer anything like the versatility of most of those players. Not sure 6th choice to fill one of 3 positions is any better than 3rd choice for 1 position myself. That is if he's considered a better choice by Klopp than Harry Wilson or Harvey Elliot.

I thought I'd made my point pretty clear, but will try again. I believe that a year playing for a team who just finished in the Top 6 of the Championship where he'll get plenty of chances to score and will be one of the first names on the team-sheet will be a better thing for his development than going to a struggling PL side who will not provide him with many goalscoring chances and who will probably reduce his minutes in favour of a veteran striker who they feel will be more valuable in fighting relegation than a youngster learning his trade.

That's my take, feel free to give an argument showing why you feel differently.

My thoughts are if Liverpool and backing his ability then they surely have to develop Brewster further. Our opinions differ at this point. Yours is he should play in the Championship again score a shedful of goals again and mine is he should be given a squad role at Liverpool or be loaned out to a Prem side or European alternative to prove he can step up. You want him back with us (most of us do) the reality it is not going to happen so we move on. The only caveat is i guess if Brewster has any say in his immediate future then he may request to come back to us for a full season. With comparing Brewster and Tammy, we had Tammy in his second Championship season loan stint and we have had Brewster for half a season and has proved the Championship is maybe the level now in his career he shouldn't be playing.

The one area we do agree is that a squad role at Liverpool would be more beneficial to his development than coming back here. If Darren's twitter link is right, looks like that's what happening and good for him.

One more debate on your final sentence. If Brewster's 11 goals in half a season proved he shouldn't be playing in the Championship, then surely Tammy's 23 goals for Bristol City would have been stronger evidence of the same? He still needed another season there for Villa before Chelsea deemed him ready for their first team.

 

[Ringwood Jack]

My thoughts are if Liverpool and backing his ability then they surely have to develop Brewster further. Our opinions differ at this point. Yours is he should play in the Championship again score a shedful of goals again and mine is he should be given a squad role at Liverpool or be loaned out to a Prem side or European alternative to prove he can step up. You want him back with us (most of us do) the reality it is not going to happen so we move on. The only caveat is i guess if Brewster has any say in his immediate future then he may request to come back to us for a full season. With comparing Brewster and Tammy, we had Tammy in his second Championship season loan stint and we have had Brewster for half a season and has proved the Championship is maybe the level now in his career he shouldn't be playing.

The one area we do agree is that a squad role at Liverpool would be more beneficial to his development than coming back here. If Darren's twitter link is right, looks like that's what happening and good for him.

One more debate on your final sentence. If Brewster's 11 goals in half a season proved he shouldn't be playing in the Championship, then surely Tammy's 23 goals for Bristol City would have been stronger evidence of the same? He still needed another season there for Villa before Chelsea deemed him ready for their first team.

Again you are comparing the players but not how far each player is/was away from a starting X1 with their respective clubs. Tammy is still effectively a fringe second/third choice forward at Chelsea after a few seasons in the Championship and couple of prem seasons. Brewster has had a lot less exposure on loan and now Klopp is including him in the Liverpool squad for 20/21. My point all along is Brewster is rated higher than the Championship by his club for now he will not be loaned out to us or anyone else in our league. As for Tammy, he will end up at Fulham or West Ham eventually as Chelsea strengthen to win the prem.

 

[swan65split]

https://twitter.com/sportspeteo/status/1299443409380311047?s=21

Hope he doesnt end up like the Red haired super sub........

 

[Thornburyswan]

https://twitter.com/sportspeteo/status/1299443409380311047?s=21

Interesting, although SSN’s interpretation of Klopp’s update was he is undecided on where Brewster sits for the coming season - personally I don’t see them selling him (they don’t need the money & he is still developing) - for me if they were to sell Origi then he slots into the natural cover for their Mane/Firminio/Salah front 3 with regular cameos + starts in lesser games/injury cover etc.

However if they keep Origi I can see him going out on loan again - maybe until Jan or season loan with a pull back option - if we get to that point we have a chance as he clearly enjoys it here, will get games & Cooper has evidenced he can work with him.

Suspect this might be one of those late window decisions - Prem closes on 05/10 but they can still sell/loan out to EPL clubs until the 16/10.