Charlie Kirk

[rockinj]

Except what you mean by cordial, is you wanted people not to challenge you on your assertion that there is some "nuance" to be found in an opinion that it is understandable if people are nervous when black pilots are flying a plane, in case they've been put there by affirmative action. Cordial, to you, is being able to say that freely, without reproach.

It didn't quite work out like that for you though did it. When you made that utterly ridiculous assertion right at the start of this thread, several people called it what it is (a racist trope) and you didn't like that being pointed out to you. If you're the enlightened and non-tribal type you say you are, then surely you reflect on that, realise you've got yourself into a bit of a muddle, admit you might just have got that wrong, and everyone just moves on.

Instead, you've doubled down and gone down some faux-intellectual "I'm operating at a much higher level than the rest of you" cul-de-sac, and quite frankly it is cringeworthy.

That's the long and the short of it.

No. That is cobblers.

I explained quite clearly that I saw that as a right wing conspiratorial position in relation to DEI. I am firmly of the view it is not true and said so.

As I keep saying my position is based on trying to understand why he is successful and why he needs to be heard and not shut down.

You are playing the game beautifully you’re offended. In the context of a debate on affirmative action he is doing what many successful populists figures do he is latching on to part truth (affirmative action was a thing in US) and using the part truth to maintain a narrative of woke overreach. The overreach being that woke politics has led to potentially dangerous consequences.

It’s nonsense. I am on your side!!! But the nuance in my point is what I stated there was some truths what he was debating about affirmative action or positive discrimination which I’m sure public sector workers on this thread will understand even if they won’t admit.

I don’t like his politics (in the main), I don’t like this positions but I hate the idea that he should be shouted down even more.

As MrSwerve has suggested (who knows more than I do clearly on his views) just because he has abhorrent views on some things (doesn’t mean I think they should be shut down mind…!) that doesn't mean I should never agree with a word the man said or have respect for his bravery in going into the lions den as I said.

I’m not going into this anymore as I’m just repeating myself. If you want to continue to simply speak of tropes use out of context quotes then I can’t truly discuss this with you.

 

[Neath_Jack]

Water bottle with freshly squeezed lemon in it is my go to and a bottle of smartwater.

Glass of Trivento's Malbec after food tonight though lovely.

I’d ask for your money back for that smart water if I were you

 

[Longlostjack]

All credit to Clasey for moderating this thread. Would have driven me doo lally!

 

[Niigata Jack]

I’d ask for your money back for that smart water if I were you

Cheeky twat

 

[Smurph]

All credit to Clasey for moderating this thread. Would have driven me doo lally!

I honestly don't know where he gets the patience from to deal with some of the clowns on this thread.

 

[jack123]

Probably he’s going to be sentenced to death. How long it will take to carry it out remains to be seen.

Yes. You're right, just checked, and Utah still does capital punishment. Plus, when I looked it up, seems that Trump is calling for the death penalty.

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

I don’t like his politics (in the main), I don’t like this positions but I hate the idea that he should be shouted down even more.

No problem.

You are welcome to carry on with your chin stroking, "let's hear him out" approach. I've no idea why you would do that, but clearly you're keen, so crack on.

On the flip side, many of us would prefer to push back on people in the world like him, who say stuff like he said about black pilots, and that when women are raped they should be stripped of their body autonomy and forced to have their rapist's baby. We don't really want to know what led him to get to those viewpoints, the truth is we don't really care. Because it's irrelevant. His views were abhorrent, and that's all any sane individual needs to be concerned with.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

All credit to Clasey for moderating this thread. Would have driven me doo lally!

Nothing’s been moderated or changed to be fair. All views remain as originally posted by all posters. As it should be. There are many differences of opinion here but nothing beyond the pale.

 

[rockinj]

No problem.

You are welcome to carry on with your chin stroking, "let's hear him out" approach. I've no idea why you would do that, but clearly you're keen, so crack on.

On the flip side, many of us would prefer to push back on people in the world like him, who say stuff like he said about black pilots, and that when women are raped they should be stripped of their body autonomy and forced to have their rapist's baby. We don't really want to know what led him to get to those viewpoints, the truth is we don't really care. Because it's irrelevant. His views were abhorrent, and that's all any sane individual needs to be concerned with.

Yes, that’s all well and good but where is that getting you.

A warm fuzzy feeling inside?

In reality they’re laughing at you and we are on the march to authoritarianism.

Anyway let’s call it a day. Agree to disagree.

 

[Smurph]

No problem.

You are welcome to carry on with your chin stroking, "let's hear him out" approach. I've no idea why you would do that, but clearly you're keen, so crack on.

On the flip side, many of us would prefer to push back on people in the world like him, who say stuff like he said about black pilots, and that when women are raped they should be stripped of their body autonomy and forced to have their rapist's baby. We don't really want to know what led him to get to those viewpoints, the truth is we don't really care. Because it's irrelevant. His views were abhorrent, and that's all any sane individual needs to be concerned with.

He was brave by going into the lions den, mind.......

 

[rockinj]

He was brave by going into the lions den, mind.......

Did you think that all by yourself? Well done lad. Good job. Have a glass of milk before bed.

 

[Smurph]

Did you think that all by yourself? Well done lad. Good job. Have a glass of milk before bed.

Brave, just so brave.......

 

[rockinj]

Brave, just so brave.......

Night night son

 

[Pompeyjack]

No problem.

You are welcome to carry on with your chin stroking, "let's hear him out" approach. I've no idea why you would do that, but clearly you're keen, so crack on.

On the flip side, many of us would prefer to push back on people in the world like him, who say stuff like he said about black pilots, and that when women are raped they should be stripped of their body autonomy and forced to have their rapist's baby. We don't really want to know what led him to get to those viewpoints, the truth is we don't really care. Because it's irrelevant. His views were abhorrent, and that's all any sane individual needs to be concerned with.

Is there a difference between a person's views and the views that that person has due to their religious beliefs?

 

[rockinj]

Is there a difference between a person's views and the views that that person has due to their religious beliefs?

Now you’ve done it!

Wait till they hear there are socially conservative Muslims and Jews