Get vaccinated or stay home

[Cardiffjack]

What a stupid comparison. When was the last time we locked down due cancer ?

I was just making the point that your 'average death age of 82' stat is meaningless

It’s not meaningless at all. We are destroying the economy and all the effects that will bring for a virus that has an average death age of 82.
Apparently only 350 people have died from the virus who are under 65 and have no underlying health problems out of a population of 67,000,000.

 

[Cardiffjack]

What a stupid comparison. When was the last time we locked down due cancer ?

I was just making the point that your 'average death age of 82' stat is meaningless

The average death age for the virus at 82 is an higher age than the average life expectancy in the U.K. in general, which is just under 80.

 

[controversial_jack]

That's ok then! Old ppl can die in droves, no worries?

 

[Cardiffjack]

I was just making the point that your 'average death age of 82' stat is meaningless

It’s not meaningless at all. We are destroying the economy and all the affects that will bring for a virus that has an average death age of 82.
Apparently only 350 people have died from the virus who are under 65 and have no underlying health problems out of a population of 67,000,000.

 

[Cardiffjack]

That's ok then! Old ppl can die in droves, no worries?

Since when haven’t old people died in droves ?
Unfortunately, but that’s what all old people will do eventually.

 

[controversial_jack]

I know what you are saying , and hopefully my hygiene is good, however your figures are not correct. The mortality rate seems something like 3.5%. as against the flu which is 0.1%, which makes it 35 times more deadly

It has scared the shit out of me, because Mrs Cj works on the covid ward and has told me some horrible things, grown men crying out for their mothers. I know 3 ppl who have died from it, 1 who almost did and many more who have contracted it and been ok. The randomness of it is scary.

I'm not holding out much hope that the vaccine will work, hope i'm wrong, but i believe common sense and discipline will work better. It did so before vaccines were introduced. If we go back to about 1900, we can see mortality rates improving and not accelerating after vaccines were introduced either ,and improved living conditions, sanitation, clean water , diet, warm homes have done far more to control these things than vaccines have. However, expecting the British public to be self disciplined is a big ask.

35 times more deadly than the flu , don’t be so stupid. The average age of someone dying from the coronavirus is 82 , and 99.7 % of the population will recover if they catch it.

There have been 1,538,794 cases in the Uk and 55,838 deaths, that's 3.6%. Flu has a mortality rate of about 0.1%, that is 36 times more. Ok, it's mostly old and those vulnerable who die, don't they matter?

 

[controversial_jack]

87% of Cancer deaths are people over 50. Should everyone under 50 ignore that too, seeing as you've only got a 13% chance of dying from it if you're under 50?

What a stupid comparison. When was the last time we locked down due cancer ?

You can't get cancer from standing next to someone in a shop, pub or school. What a ridiculous statement!

 

[Cardiffjack]

35 times more deadly than the flu , don’t be so stupid. The average age of someone dying from the coronavirus is 82 , and 99.7 % of the population will recover if they catch it.

There have been 1,538,794 cases in the Uk and 55,838 deaths, that's 3.6%. Flu has a mortality rate of about 0.1%, that is 36 times more. Ok, it's mostly old and those vulnerable who die, don't they matter?

Out of the 55,838 how many actually died from Covid-19 ? Many of those probably died from other conditions, just also happens to have had the virus too. Also how many of the 55,838 are people who have died within the last 28 days from catching the virus ?

You also say 1,538,794 cases of coronavirus in the U.K.- that’s bullshite, what about the millions of people who have had the virus and haven’t been tested or the asymptomatic cases ?

 

[Cardiffjack]

What a stupid comparison. When was the last time we locked down due cancer ?

You can't get cancer from standing next to someone in a shop, pub or school. What a ridiculous statement!

No, but you can get cancer from smoking, or eating junk food, being obese etc and none of those are banned are they.

 

[Jack2jack]

35 times more deadly than the flu , don’t be so stupid. The average age of someone dying from the coronavirus is 82 , and 99.7 % of the population will recover if they catch it.

There have been 1,538,794 cases in the Uk and 55,838 deaths, that's 3.6%. Flu has a mortality rate of about 0.1%, that is 36 times more. Ok, it's mostly old and those vulnerable who die, don't they matter?

How many elderly folk die of Flu and Pneumonia, every year in the UK, check it out and come back to me.
When was the last time anyone gave a toss about that, find some back articles on the BBC or Sky or wherever to find out if any cared.

 

[J_B]

I was just making the point that your 'average death age of 82' stat is meaningless

It’s not meaningless at all. We are destroying the economy and all the effects that will bring for a virus that has an average death age of 82.
Apparently only 350 people have died from the virus who are under 65 and have no underlying health problems out of a population of 67,000,000.

The statistics of people who have died are at the levels they are because of lockdown. What would those statistics be if there had never been any lockdown at all? The problem with comparing COVID with flu is that COVID-19 is much, much more infectious than flu and if we had gone for the herd immunity option how many would have died well before their time? Young, fit people should be able to get out there and keep the economy going provided they understand that they must isolate themselves from older family members and older people in general in my view.

I have sympathy with the view that young, fit people should be able to live as near to normal as possible. I am considered extremely vulnerable and had all the shielding letters from the government. I was very, very cautious at first particularly when a friend who was 47 and no underlying health conditions died within 72 hours of contracting Covid-19 in April. I have eaten out on a few occasions, always outdoors though. I’m not the sort of person to hide away despite my vulnerability but it is a personal risk assessment that I am comfortable with. I would not go for a meal or a drink indoors until I feel the risk is minimal.

I also know someone who had mild symptoms and was not hospitalised but six months later he is feeling worse than he did in May with no energy and no strength in his arms and hands which is a huge problem to him as he is a Gower farmer. We don’t know the long term effects yet and they could be worse than the initial infection for some.

I don’t think it’s too much to ask that people get vaccinated so that everyone can enjoy the football or the cinema or the theatre as soon as possible so that the economy can pick up and life can return to something approaching normal. Isn’t it a bit selfish to deny shielders the opportunity to do those things because the risk will be too high for them unless the vast majority get the jab. Many of them are old and they’ve already lost a year of a limited remaining life span.

 

[controversial_jack]

There have been 1,538,794 cases in the Uk and 55,838 deaths, that's 3.6%. Flu has a mortality rate of about 0.1%, that is 36 times more. Ok, it's mostly old and those vulnerable who die, don't they matter?

Out of the 55,838 how many actually died from Covid-19 ? Many of those probably died from other conditions, just also happens to have had the virus too. Also how many of the 55,838 are people who have died within the last 28 days from catching the virus ?

You also say 1,538,794 cases of coronavirus in the U.K.- that’s bullshite, what about the millions of people who have had the virus and haven’t been tested or the asymptomatic cases ?

 

[controversial_jack]

Out of the 55,838 how many actually died from Covid-19 ? Many of those probably died from other conditions, just also happens to have had the virus too. Also how many of the 55,838 are people who have died within the last 28 days from catching the virus ?

You also say 1,538,794 cases of coronavirus in the U.K.- that’s bullshite, what about the millions of people who have had the virus and haven’t been tested or the asymptomatic cases ?

The official figures are wrong. Doctors have falsified death certificates and the Public health depts have all lied and are wrong, and you are correct. I get where you are coming from.

 

[Monty]

I was just making the point that your 'average death age of 82' stat is meaningless

It’s not meaningless at all. We are destroying the economy and all the effects that will bring for a virus that has an average death age of 82.
Apparently only 350 people have died from the virus who are under 65 and have no underlying health problems out of a population of 67,000,000.

800,000 school age kids, over 8 million working age adults & and over 5 million over 70 in the UK have underlying health conditions that put them at heightened risk of hospitalisation and/or death from Covid. The vast majority of people with serious conditions (of any age) have barely left their houses since March, which explains the 'low' death rate.

 

[Cardiffjack]

The official figures are wrong. Doctors have falsified death certificates and the Public health depts have all lied and are wrong, and you are correct. I get where you are coming from.

Of course the figures are wrong. If you only think 1.5 million people have had the coronavirus in the U.K., then you must be nuts.