Just Oil Protesters

[3swan]

What is their aim?, as if you take the comments so far on here, and conversations I've had about their actions, it's been criticising them, and their actions, and not talking about the issue at all.

 

[rockinj]

I didnt start this thread, just voicing an opinion as is my right and everyone else's on here, (as do those JSO twats) if that's ok with you. To be honest I could give a flying fvck what JSO are doing, well that's not entirely true, I just dont like their tactics( yes I know that's the whole point, I hear you say). Anyway it's just that 99.99% of the population can see they are ruining their cause, by the actions they are taking. Do you really believe that they are coming out of this with any credibility and making a difference. Last time I looked, I have not seen any parliamentary discussions or white paper produced as a result of their vacuous rants, not seen any commentators side with them and the vast majority of the population see them as irrelevant. ' People like me' indeed, cheeky tw@

Agreed.

The environmental movement suffers from hyperbole and anti capitalism.

The environmental movement should be cross party with an emphasis on moving towards an economy that still maintains an industrial base and mitigates against impacts of fossil fuel reduction.

There are impacts to net zero. 110%, you can’t brush that under the carpet. But to move forward you bring all different persuasions together.

I’m very supportive of moves towards net zero as I don’t just think it’s right for the planet I think it’s the way to reinvigorate the economy and the industrial base.

But I’m not left wing and I’ve got no time for these idiots.

 

[Jack2jack]

Woah calm down champ, I didn’t suggest you started the thread, just that you, and me and others are keeping it going, talking about them. That’s what they want us to do.

Apologies if you were offended by the ‘people like you’ description, it wasn’t intended as an insult. I’ll have to tone down my wording in future not to offend the easily offended amongst us.

You need to stop thinking that they designed these activities to get people ‘like us’ (better?) to side with them. Because they didn’t.

Apology accepted, calm as a mill pond on a warm sunny June day me.
Well it ain't working on the 'other' people either is it. Anyway I've enjoyed our brief yet jolly word jaust, time to move on, all about opinions. Chin chin old bean.

 

[Jack2jack]

Agreed.

The environmental movement suffers from hyperbole and anti capitalism.

The environmental movement should be cross party with an emphasis on moving towards an economy that still maintains an industrial base and mitigates against impacts of fossil fuel reduction.

There are impacts to net zero. 110%, you can’t brush that under the carpet. But to move forward you bring all different persuasions together.

I’m very supportive of moves towards net zero as I don’t just think it’s right for the planet I think it’s the way to reinvigorate the economy and the industrial base.

But I’m not left wing and I’ve got no time for these idiots.

Indeed.

 

[jack123]

China, India, and the USA must be absolutely laughing their absolute socks off at the UK. Are people that silly to think that even if the Uk, achieved if net zero, it would make a difference?

It really is a joke, and it’s really starting to annoy me! They are cutting jobs in industries in the Uk, and that’s all the companies are doing is transferring the project to another part of the world, mainly India and China, surely the people in the Uk, can’t be that silly to think that carbon emissions are localised to this region?

Seeing lots of stuff on the news about heat pumps and getting rid of the old boilers, electric cars and no petrol, or diesel! Anyone who supports this is completely deluded, no matter if we went net zero in this country, it’s totally a billion percent insignificant, when other countries are just ramping up theirs, no doubt USA ten fold once Trump gets back in, because he doesn’t give 2 hoots for climate change.

 

[rockinj]

China, India, and the USA must be absolutely laughing their absolute socks off at the UK. Are people that silly to think that even if the Uk, achieved if net zero, it would make a difference?

It really is a joke, and it’s really starting to annoy me! They are cutting jobs in industries in the Uk, and that’s all the companies are doing is transferring the project to another part of the world, mainly India and China, surely the people in the Uk, can’t be that silly to think that carbon emissions are localised to this region?

Seeing lots of stuff on the news about heat pumps and getting rid of the old boilers, electric cars and no petrol, or diesel! Anyone who supports this is completely deluded, no matter if we went net zero in this country, it’s totally a billion percent insignificant, when other countries are just ramping up theirs, no doubt USA ten fold once Trump gets back in, because he doesn’t give 2 hoots for climate change.

So what is the answer? Do nothing? Hope for the best?

The World is burning. Someone has to lead.

If we decide that this stuff can be parked we are saying f you to the next generations.

With intelligent well targeted economic reforms we can benefit from change.

You have to keep moving forward. There’s so much potential in green tech and things like fusion energy. These are the jobs of the ‘future’ not the past.

And if after all this it was for “nothing” I’d still think it was a good thing when future generations can breathe in clean air, nature flourishes as we move away from dirty industries.

Someone has to do something. Follow the money. If fusion etc take off do you think China will continue with coal? It’s economics

 

[jack123]

So what is the answer? Do nothing? Hope for the best?

The World is burning. Someone has to lead.

If we decide that this stuff can be parked we are saying f you to the next generations.

With intelligent well targeted economic reforms we can benefit from change.

You have to keep moving forward. There’s so much potential in green tech and things like fusion energy. These are the jobs of the ‘future’ not the past.

And if after all this it was for “nothing” I’d still think it was a good thing when future generations can breathe in clean air, nature flourishes as we move away from dirty industries.

Someone has to do something. Follow the money. If fusion etc take off do you think China will continue with coal? It’s economics

You make some good points, I mean who could be against future generations breathing clean air!

I guess my problem with it all, for me the way it’s being handled with a shit or bust attitude, all within a pretty short timescale, Uk at the moment seem to be going hammer and tongs to achieve net zero, where China, India, USA the reverse seems to be true.

 

[rockinj]

You make some good points, I mean who could be against future generations breathing clean air!

I guess my problem with it all, for me the way it’s being handled with a shit or bust attitude, all within a pretty short timescale, Uk at the moment seem to be going hammer and tongs to achieve net zero, where China, India, USA the reverse seems to be true.

Absolutely understandable position to take.

Trump is definitely moving backwards on this issue and obv there’s rapid industrialisation taking place in China and India.

I suppose I go back to my central point someone has to take a lead. This again proves why withdrawing from Europe was such a bad strategic move.

We’ve bet our future on a much more volatile international landscape.

There is absolutely a lot of questions namely importing what we could manufacture. That is also fiddling the books on net zero.

That’s why I loathe the extreme environmentalists because there’s such an important debate to be had and it’s ruined by bad actors.

 

[jack123]

Absolutely understandable position to take.

Trump is definitely moving backwards on this issue and obv there’s rapid industrialisation taking place in China and India.

I suppose I go back to my central point someone has to take a lead. This again proves why withdrawing from Europe was such a bad strategic move.

We’ve bet our future on a much more volatile international landscape.

There is absolutely a lot of questions namely importing what we could manufacture. That is also fiddling the books on net zero.

That’s why I loathe the extreme environmentalists because there’s such an important debate to be had and it’s ruined by bad actors.

Another thing, which I should have mentioned earlier, is that the sheer waste of money of it. And this doesn’t matter if you are for or against net zero targets, I was reading an article the other day about how much Joe Biden had spent towards climate change, it was in the billions! Yet trump will tear that all up. And that’s what I think will happen here, At the moment l, don’t think labour will get in next, so whoever comes next be it Tories or even Reform, are just going to rip it all up.

And back we go again, just all a waste of time and money.

Edit: Also one more point, that I think has failed us massively with regards to achieving net zero, especially here in Swansea is that the public transport is very, very poor, I don’t live far from the city centre, but if I was starting work in town by 8, I would not get there. You imagine someone in Mayhill without a car, applying for a job in Asda Gorseinon, I doubt buses go direct there, so it would be a bus to town, then Gorseinon. My guess journey time from leaving the house to work, 1.5 ~ 2 hours. Plus the majority of bus routes will even struggle to get you into Swansea City centre by 8am, and that all within a 1-3 mile radius of the city centre. So everyone is choosing cars to get around, imagine living in say Sketty working in the Morfa Retail park, and you have to start work at 8, I would imagine you would have to leave the house at 7, although I doubt there would be any buses at that time.

The public transport infrastructure in Swansea is an absolute joke, it’s worse now than it was in the 80s. No doubt that’s the same throughout Wales. You just cannot get around without a car even living in Swansea which is quite a large population in Wales, I wonder what it’s like say living in Llannelli, and having a job in Swansea without no car? What’s it ten mile away, without looking at timetables, I bet it would be horrendous to commute from Llanelli to Swansea and start work at 8, using public transport, and IMO that’s what has let us all down.

 

[Cooperman]

You make some good points, I mean who could be against future generations breathing clean air!

I guess my problem with it all, for me the way it’s being handled with a shit or bust attitude, all within a pretty short timescale, Uk at the moment seem to be going hammer and tongs to achieve net zero, where China, India, USA the reverse seems to be true.

There are clear signs of u-turns in the US. Just this week we’ve seen an urgent request to restart production of pieces for one of the big pick up trucks - a whopping 5.7L V8 derivative which was previously shut down two years ago. Restart production ASAP and at volumes which were higher than the original contract, and this OEM is doing it because one of their competitors has already announced it.

 

[JackSomething]

Another thing, which I should have mentioned earlier, is that the sheer waste of money of it. And this doesn’t matter if you are for or against net zero targets, I was reading an article the other day about how much Joe Biden had spent towards climate change, it was in the billions! Yet trump will tear that all up. And that’s what I think will happen here, At the moment l, don’t think labour will get in next, so whoever comes next be it Tories or even Reform, are just going to rip it all up.

And back we go again, just all a waste of time and money.

Edit: Also one more point, that I think has failed us massively with regards to achieving net zero, especially here in Swansea is that the public transport is very, very poor, I don’t live far from the city centre, but if I was starting work in town by 8, I would not get there. You imagine someone in Mayhill without a car, applying for a job in Asda Gorseinon, I doubt buses go direct there, so it would be a bus to town, then Gorseinon. My guess journey time from leaving the house to work, 1.5 ~ 2 hours. Plus the majority of bus routes will even struggle to get you into Swansea City centre by 8am, and that all within a 1-3 mile radius of the city centre. So everyone is choosing cars to get around, imagine living in say Sketty working in the Morfa Retail park, and you have to start work at 8, I would imagine you would have to leave the house at 7, although I doubt there would be any buses at that time.

The public transport infrastructure in Swansea is an absolute joke, it’s worse now than it was in the 80s. No doubt that’s the same throughout Wales. You just cannot get around without a car even living in Swansea which is quite a large population in Wales, I wonder what it’s like say living in Llannelli, and having a job in Swansea without no car? What’s it ten mile away, without looking at timetables, I bet it would be horrendous to commute from Llanelli to Swansea and start work at 8, using public transport, and IMO that’s what has let us all down.

Public transport is terrible across the UK outside of the major cities and has been getting worse for years. I didn't learn to drive until I was almost 30 and still remember how insanely easier my life got once I had a car.

Not enough investment in bus networks and we all know how well selling off our railways worked out for us. Definitely has the effect of pushing more and more people to driving. I'm not sure there's any way back for public transport in this country, the cost of improving things sufficiently is probably too high to be practical.

 

[jack123]

Public transport is terrible across the UK outside of the major cities and has been getting worse for years. I didn't learn to drive until I was almost 30 and still remember how insanely easier my life got once I had a car.

Not enough investment in bus networks and we all know how well selling off our railways worked out for us. Definitely has the effect of pushing more and more people to driving. I'm not sure there's any way back for public transport in this country, the cost of improving things sufficiently is probably too high to be practical.

Yes, it’s something I have thought a lot about over the last few years, just a public transport system, that would some way replicate car travel.

I suppose it’s all down to how much money the government wish to spend, to make it appealing for someone not to even bother purchasing a car.

They seem to have billions available for the push for net zero, but nothing to spend on public transport, it really has gone backwards since the 70s, 80s. Which is a shame.

 

[Jack2jack]

This'll mess up their calcs a bit.

Cardiff Council using diesel generators to charge electric bin lorries

The council has said it's a temporary measure to mitigate a fault between its new vehicles and electric chargers

www.walesonline.co.uk