Luke Williams - Jack Army Poll

[Cooperman]

On reflection it's probably time to take stock of why being pragmatic with Duff was a disaster, and even reflect if it was at all even tough it felt that way at the time. Look at him now at Hudds for instance.

Is "the Swansea Way" a massive noose around our collective necks given that those in power and influence seem to have no idea what that actually is? I'm sure we've all got our own take on it but sure as hell it's not what has been served up by Williams & Rusty.

Are there players with too much pull in the dressing room that are holding us back (I'm looking at you Matthew), and how do we address that?

It needs a root and branch clear out and change but I doubt those in charge have the balls for that or unfortunately, a significant number of our fans have either. Until that happens though, the mismanaged decline of the last 10 years or so will continue.

I haven't renewed my season ticket and for the first time in as long as I can recall, I am having serious doubts as to whether I will. I'm sure I'm not alone.

Excellent post.

When someone with your loyalty makes this type of statement regarding ST, we really are losing the fan base.

 

[Dr. Winston]

Is "the Swansea Way" a massive noose around our collective necks given that those in power and influence seem to have no idea what that actually is? I'm sure we've all got our own take on it but sure as hell it's not what has been served up by Williams & Rusty.

"The Swansea Way" is many things to many people. Some think the only way to achieve it is by endless possession football. I'm probably generalising, but that group seems mostly to consist of people who didn't experience much of us prior to 2003. Us old lags just want to be entertained, whether that's by an occasionally direct Frank Burrows 4-4-2 or a flowing Michael Laudrup 4-3-3.

I think the club have allowed themselves to be drawn into the first group.

 

[Cooperman]

"The Swansea Way" is many things to many people. Some think the only way to achieve it is by endless possession football. I'm probably generalising, but that group seems mostly to consist of people who didn't experience much of us prior to 2003. Us old lags just want to be entertained, whether that's by an occasionally direct Frank Burrows 4-4-2 or a flowing Michael Laudrup 4-3-3.

I think the club have allowed themselves to be drawn into the first group.

I only relate to ‘The Swansea Way’ as the possession based fluidity of the Martinez and Rogers tenure, I don’t really see it as anything else. Is there another meaning?

This stuff we’ve had served up under a few recent managers is a far cry from that, a very poor imitation.

 

[rockinj]

Why is there always this perception people who advocate a so called Swansea way think it’s about possession.

What I think of as the Swansea way is free flowing attacking football, with intent and also playing it on the deck which we have a rich history of doing going all the way back to the 50s not the 00s.

Now at present it is passing for passing sake. Agreed. It can’t continue.

The debate is whether this can change with the same personnel. I believe it can. Simple as that.

No one wants to see 75% possession with no point to it. That’s negative, dull football.

Move to direct rubbish though and we will be relegated. No question.

 

[Dr. Winston]

I only relate to ‘The Swansea Way’ as the possession based fluidity of the Martinez and Rogers tenure, I don’t really see it as anything else. Is there another meaning?

This stuff we’ve had served up under a few recent managers is a far cry from that, a very poor imitation.

People used to talk about "The Swansea Way" long before Martinez, especially in reference to the Toshack years, unless my memory is playing tricks on me.

We've never been fond of just hoofing the ball, which is why managers known for that style rarely, if ever get linked to jobs here.

 

[Neath_Jack]

I’d never heard of the ‘Swansea Way’ until Brendan I reckon, certainly not when we were below the Championship. The term is killing us.

 

[Nocountryforoldjack]

Why is there always this perception people who advocate a so called Swansea way think it’s about possession.

What I think of as the Swansea way is free flowing attacking football, with intent and also playing it on the deck which we have a rich history of doing going all the way back to the 50s not the 00s.

Now at present it is passing for passing sake. Agreed. It can’t continue.

The debate is whether this can change with the same personnel. I believe it can. Simple as that.

No one wants to see 75% possession with no point to it. That’s negative, dull football.

Move to direct rubbish though and we will be relegated. No question.

What makes you think it can change with the current mug in charge?

 

[rockinj]

What matters you think it can change with the current mug in charge?

I’m not certain he can change, but I think he’s a far more pragmatic person than Russell Martin and I’m hopeful that he’ll take a step back.

I don’t want to be a broken record but I think we’ve got to careful that “if” we sack Williams we have someone to come who ticks the boxes. I advocate a bit more time as simple as that. I also think we’re safe with him in charge so if we’re still not really progressing we sack him and rebuild ahead of next season.

As other posters have alluded to this didn’t start with Williams, we’ve been in doldrums for years now. We need to think strategically not tactically.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

People used to talk about "The Swansea Way" long before Martinez, especially in reference to the Toshack years, unless my memory is playing tricks on me.

We've never been fond of just hoofing the ball, which is why managers known for that style rarely, if ever get linked to jobs here.

Your memory is doing cartwheels.

 

[magicdaps10]

5 wins and 2 draws from 7 league games under Gary Rowett for Oxford United.

Not bad what a new manager who knows what their doing does for you.

New manager bounce is quite normal and "new manager bounce" is a regular phrase now in football.

I think a lot of people now realise that the time to judge a new manager is further down the line once the honeymoon period is over.......issue with judging down the line is that expectations returns and fans/owners then revisit their expectations from months previous and then it becomes a continual cycle of not being happy and wanting more, sometimes unrealistically.

 

[magicdaps10]

I’m not certain he can change, but I think he’s a far more pragmatic person than Russell Martin and I’m hopeful that he’ll take a step back.

I don’t want to be a broken record but I think we’ve got to careful that “if” we sack Williams we have someone to come who ticks the boxes. I advocate a bit more time as simple as that. I also think we’re safe with him in charge so if we’re still not really progressing we sack him and rebuild ahead of next season.

As other posters have alluded to this didn’t start with Williams, we’ve been in doldrums for years now. We need to think strategically not tactically.

The issue is that we change to something worse.
The call was for a pragmatic approach after Martin and the board followed that with the appointment of Duff and that was the worse few months in regards to football we seen for a few years......there was no idea and no clear plan on the pitch.

I'm at the point where we need to break from Williams and Sheehan because we need to break the links with Martin and Watson to go forward not only as a club but as a fan base. I am not at that point on a football view(yet) but there are still puddles of fans harbouring an underline hatred towards Williams and Sheehan for their links to the people I mentioned previously.
Until this happens then these continually debates will just carry on.

 

[swan65split]

People used to talk about "The Swansea Way" long before Martinez, especially in reference to the Toshack years, unless my memory is playing tricks on me.

We've never been fond of just hoofing the ball, which is why managers known for that style rarely, if ever get linked to jobs here.

I dont think it was the "Swansea way", we were just known for, it was for just being a footballing side, not for hoofball, which we did hit a patch in the 70s, before Harry got us back on track again.

 

[Cooperman]

I’d never heard of the ‘Swansea Way’ until Brendan I reckon, certainly not when we were below the Championship. The term is killing us.

Me neither. I had not heard the reference during the Martinez years, but many a person has linked the Rogers ethos back to the Martinez years.

 

[Cooperman]

People used to talk about "The Swansea Way" long before Martinez, especially in reference to the Toshack years, unless my memory is playing tricks on me.

We've never been fond of just hoofing the ball, which is why managers known for that style rarely, if ever get linked to jobs here.

Even the Toshack years were before my time, so I cannot really relate to it.

 

[Cooperman]

I’d never heard of the ‘Swansea Way’ until Brendan I reckon, certainly not when we were below the Championship. The term is killing us.

And to add, yes it’s killing us.

This fascination in a blueprint which the owners don’t understand, and a playing/coaching squad which is incapable of delivering ‘it’.