Martin holds the exit door open for Obafemi and Paterson

[STID2017]

Makes me laugh that people blame Martin for Obafemi etc when he’s been PUBLICLY criticised by his previous manager, as for players turning up late so they should be punished especially if it’s on a regular basis, they can’t set alarms and show up on time then that’s their problem, if Martin really was causing all this drama in the background there’s no way any club would keep the manager who’s disrupting the squad 100% fact, regardless if you like him or not to say he’s causing issues with the playing staff is laughable.

Excellent post and makes total common sense.
Looking as if Obafemi is on his way now.
Hope the money is used wisely.
Patterson and Whittaker next out

 

[Swanjaxs]

Excellent post and makes total common sense.
Looking as if Obafemi is on his way now.
Hope the money is used wisely.
Patterson and Whittaker next out

I suppose its up to the likes of Mindy Kaling and Oprah Winfrey how they are going to spend their Michael Obafani windfall :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[TheGoodDoctor]

How late is 'slightly late'?

I'd be amazed if he dropped them, weakening the team and costing us results for them turning up for example 5 minutes late.

I doubt Martin liked what Paterson did last year, but he was let back, as was Obafemi after his little tantrum. So they weren't completely shunned then?

15 minutes I was told. If you don’t think he would completely weaken the team to prove a point and assert his dominance then you aren’t grasping the issue here with Martin.

He ignores them completely. Doesn’t pick them, doesn’t talk to them, ignores them at training - hence why some then down tools. If he doesn’t like you for whatever reason then he won’t make a secret of it.

Have you ever witnessed a manager where 3 players have publicly refused to play for them before?

Ask yourself why that’s happening, what the common denominator is.

 

[TheGoodDoctor]

I'd be amazed that being just slightly late is the reason for this. Must be far more to it.

This is the reason. Hence why it’s gross mismanagement.

Was the same with Oko Flex (different occasion) and then him going direct when Martin wanted a walking pace game was the final straw.

Pato and Obafemi both turned up 10-15 minutes late to a gathering, wasn’t even for training. As a result they were shunned from the side.

Pato has tried to remain professional still, working hard in training. Obafemi told him exactly what he thought of him.

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

15 minutes I was told. If you don’t think he would completely weaken the team to prove a point and assert his dominance then you aren’t grasping the issue here with Martin.

He ignores them completely. Doesn’t pick them, doesn’t talk to them, ignores them at training - hence why some then down tools. If he doesn’t like you for whatever reason then he won’t make a secret of it.

Have you ever witnessed a manager where 3 players have publicly refused to play for them before?

Ask yourself why that’s happening, what the common denominator is.

15 minutes....were they then disruptive coming in? Was this the first time they'd been late? Did they take their ear bashing without comment? Did they wait behind to catch up what they'd missed by being late?

What I'm getting at is whether that is the full story? 15 minutes late in a completely isolated incident and they've acted like angels otherwise at all times? We know that isn't the case anyway with their last transfer window strops and we see from the swans media how childish they are.

Sorry but it just doesn't add up.

Whittaker is completely unrelated and its clear it wasn't Martin's decision to bring him back. We also know Martin has spoken to Whittaker. So there's no story there in my opinion either

 

[TheGoodDoctor]

15 minutes....were they then disruptive coming in? Was this the first time they'd been late? Did they take their ear bashing without comment? Did they wait behind to catch up what they'd missed by being late?

What I'm getting at is whether that is the full story? 15 minutes late in a completely isolated incident and they've acted like angels otherwise at all times? We know that isn't the case anyway with their last transfer window strops and we see from the swans media how childish they are.

Sorry but it just doesn't add up.

Whittaker is completely unrelated and its clear it wasn't Martin's decision to bring him back. We also know Martin has spoken to Whittaker. So there's no story there in my opinion either

It does add up, this is what Russell Martin is like, not sure why you appear to be shocked.

This is the man that fell out with Piroe within 48 hours of arriving and made him train on his own on the beach and stripped him of the number 9 jersey.

Told Fulton he would never play for the Swans again. Completely ignored Whittaker, Burns, Williams and Ogbeta.

Pato and Obafemi are just the higher profile ones.

His man management skills are horrific, the evidence of that is clear throughout his reign. Never seen anything like it in my 30 years following the club.

Have you?

 

[A4Jack]

It doesn't help that he has form for regular fall outs with players before too. I don't remember many other managers having such visible disagreements as him.

Fraser, reacting angrily to instructions from the sidelines, gave an expletive response and it saw him hauled off after just 28 minutes, launching his water bottle across an empty stand behind the dugout. Though the ‘air was cleared’ before the Crewe game next up, Dons turned in a lacklustre performance without Fraser on the pitch. If anything, it proved how reliant Dons had become on the Scot. Though they made up, Fraser was sold to Ipswich in the summer.

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

It does add up, this is what Russell Martin is like, not sure why you appear to be shocked.

This is the man that fell out with Piroe within 48 hours of arriving and made him train on his own on the beach and stripped him of the number 9 jersey.

Told Fulton he would never play for the Swans again. Completely ignored Whittaker, Burns, Williams and Ogbeta.

Pato and Obafemi are just the higher profile ones.

His man management skills are horrific, the evidence of that is clear throughout his reign. Never seen anything like it in my 30 years following the club.

Have you?

And the end result was Piroe missing 1 game and going onto have a superb season. Ultimately that would have to go down as good management wouldn't it?

Fulton was surely a club decision, they were actively trying to get rid of him around the window last year and didn't want him injured. Was it definitely Martin's decision to not play him? Hindsight says not seeing as he now plays every now he's not going to be sold.

Williams was racially abused and never recovered. You blame Martin for that. Nor how substandard the other player you've listed there are who were signed above his head. Realistically Burns was never good enough and Ogbeta isn't displacing Manning is he? And there's no evidence of any personal falling out with any of them is there?

Number of factors at play here. Poor recruitment and scouting, no more parachute, extremely cautious decision makers and owners, fact we have to gamble on signing the likes of Obafemi despite a dodgy history. In the lower leagues it was a different world and different time.

 

[TheGoodDoctor]

And the end result was Piroe missing 1 game and going onto have a superb season. Ultimately that would have to go down as good management wouldn't it?

Fulton was surely a club decision, they were actively trying to get rid of him around the window last year and didn't want him injured. Was it definitely Martin's decision to not play him? Hindsight says not seeing as he now plays every now he's not going to be sold.

Williams was racially abused and never recovered. You blame Martin for that. Nor how substandard the other player you've listed there are who were signed above his head. Realistically Burns was never good enough and Ogbeta isn't displacing Manning is he? And there's no evidence of any personal falling out with any of them is there?

Number of factors at play here. Poor recruitment and scouting, no more parachute, extremely cautious decision makers and owners, fact we have to gamble on signing the likes of Obafemi despite a dodgy history. In the lower leagues it was a different world and different time.

Not sure what you are arguing here?

Are you saying he isn’t falling out with these players?

Or are you saying it’s a good thing he’s falling out with all these players and a sign of good man management?

Confused by your stance here.

Yes Ogbeta and Burns both fell out with Martin, I know this for a fact.

As A4 pointed out, this isn’t unexpected from Martin. He’s fallen out with players from day 1 and has continued to present day.

Unsure why the pushback on things we know to be fact.

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

Not sure what you are arguing here?

Are you saying he isn’t falling out with these players?

Or are you saying it’s a good thing he’s falling out with all these players and a sign of good man management?

Confused by your stance here.

Yes Ogbeta and Burns both fell out with Martin, I know this for a fact.

As A4 pointed out, this isn’t unexpected from Martin. He’s fallen out with players from day 1 and has continued to present day.

Unsure why the pushback on things we know to be fact.

I'm saying a wide variety of things because it's obviously not as black and white as Martin's mis-managing things because he's falling out players. I'm at thus viewpoint because i do believe he's fallen out with some (Paterson / Obafemi) due to their problems, others he just didn't play because they don't deserve a place in the team (Burns / Ogbeta) and others he doesn't play and never necessarily fell out with due to directives from above like Fulton, Bennett, Whittaker.

Piroe as I say was dropped for 1 game, he then knuckled down and got back in and had a superb season. In the absence of other facts- that is a positive outcome for the club and can't be classed as mismanagement.

You say you know these things as fact but you obviously don't. It's what you may or may not have been told. Others claim to have hears differing accounts.

Not deny he's fallen out with players, but there's reasons for all of the players spoken about that doesn't amount to mismanagement.

There are other aspects he is mis-managing mind.

 

[Swansea93]

It does add up, this is what Russell Martin is like, not sure why you appear to be shocked.

This is the man that fell out with Piroe within 48 hours of arriving and made him train on his own on the beach and stripped him of the number 9 jersey.

Told Fulton he would never play for the Swans again. Completely ignored Whittaker, Burns, Williams and Ogbeta.

Pato and Obafemi are just the higher profile ones.

His man management skills are horrific, the evidence of that is clear throughout his reign. Never seen anything like it in my 30 years following the club.

Have you?

Piroe broke covid rules at the club and went to Cardiff and had a piss up for his birthday fact, he came back into the squad after one game and had a brilliant season with Martin coaching him, if he hated Martin that much he would have pushed hard to leave the club.

Fulton we wanted gone because of his high wages and he refused to go rightly so and is performing on the pitch for us which indicates he’s having a good relationship with the coaching.

Grimes stayed with us because of Martin.

Whittaker had a shocking loan spell with Lincoln why did he deserve to come back in the summer and be in our squad? He needed another loan.

Burns & Ogbeta wasn’t his signings, Ogbeta being a desperate last minute signing which eventually saw Allen sacked from the club, and if he was that good he wouldn’t have joined Peterborough in L1.

Williams was dreadful whatever way you look at it, just had his loan spell cut short with Blackpool also which says it all, and the comments from the Blackpool fans summed him up, and not forgetting being done for pace by 6ft5 33 year old Andy Carroll.

Obafemi don’t need to explain him over and over when he has a reputation of bad decisions.

Pato has praised Martin a few times in the past, he’s been badly advised by his agent/club and if he can’t follow simple time keeping skills then that’s pathetic.

 

[Nocountryforoldjack]

Fucking hell, the fight to stick up for Martin is strong here, I wouldn't mind but the football is fucking shit and speaks for itself, so y'all can argue the toss all day long about what went on behind the scenes but you can't hide what goes on on the pitch and it's gash and you can't hide the utter bollocks Martin speaks week in week out.

The guy is a fucking fraud and couldn't manage is way out of a paper bag.

 

[ARQS]

I'm no fan of his but maybe Martin deserves credit for setting such high standards of behaviour and respect in the squad. You wouldn't accept it in any other work place so why in a football club?

We know what Paterson and Obafemi are like. It wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility that Oko Flex came in on loan from a PL club acting the big I am.

Ogbeta is a mystery. Burns/Williams were dreadful.

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

f*****g hell, the fight to stick up for Martin is strong here, I wouldn't mind but the football is f*****g s**t and speaks for itself, so y'all can argue the toss all day long about what went on behind the scenes but you can't hide what goes on on the pitch and it's gash and you can't hide the utter bollocks Martin speaks week in week out.

The guy is a f*****g fraud and couldn't manage is way out of a paper bag.

Read the posts more carefully. I'm only sticking up for him for aspects that I don't think he can be blamed for.

What goes on on the pitch (even when the likes of Obafemi/ Paterson were playing) hasn't been good enough. But that's a separate issue.

 

[TheGoodDoctor]

I'm saying a wide variety of things because it's obviously not as black and white as Martin's mis-managing things because he's falling out players. I'm at thus viewpoint because i do believe he's fallen out with some (Paterson / Obafemi) due to their problems, others he just didn't play because they don't deserve a place in the team (Burns / Ogbeta) and others he doesn't play and never necessarily fell out with due to directives from above like Fulton, Bennett, Whittaker.

Piroe as I say was dropped for 1 game, he then knuckled down and got back in and had a superb season. In the absence of other facts- that is a positive outcome for the club and can't be classed as mismanagement.

You say you know these things as fact but you obviously don't. It's what you may or may not have been told. Others claim to have hears differing accounts.

Not deny he's fallen out with players, but there's reasons for all of the players spoken about that doesn't amount to mismanagement.

There are other aspects he is mis-managing mind.

I still have no idea what point you are making.

Are you suggesting it’s okay to mismanage players as long as they aren’t good enough in your view (not sure how you have come to that conclusion considering we haven’t seen them).

Or it’s okay to fall out with players if they do well when they are allowed back on the pitch?

Or it’s okay to fall out with players if you have other mismanagement issues elsewhere too?

Again, I know for a fact and have been proven right time and time again with my information. You can choose not to believe me if you like, but you are incorrect in refuting what Jack365 is telling you.

But that’s your choice.