Met police officer charged over Everard murder

[Londonlisa2001]

It’s sensible for potential victims to be restricted rather than potential perpetrators?

That’s like saying that people with the potential for causing terrorist attacks are the only ones who should freely wander around whereas those who may be harmed in such attacks should stay inside.

What’s actually sensible is that we concentrate on the actual problem which is that a small minority of men have a propensity for extreme, often sexual violence. This is exacerbated by a larger minority of men thinking it’s fine to harass and /or abuse women.
And exacerbated even further by having a police force that seem unable to police with common sense, made worse by a government that seem hellbent on removing people’s freedoms and creating false culture wars.
We should be asking what we as a society can do about it.
Because make no mistake, the laws that they are trying to pass at the moment have the whiff of bullying authoritarianism. No right to protest where it may cause annoyance? Enforced by Patel and her willing lackies at the Met?

I was pointing out that, if what I said was correct, that an instruction for women to stay in until the perpetrator was caught, was a reasonable one at that particular time and for that particular event. I wasn't referring to anything else.Am I wrong. Just asking.

Of course it isn’t reasonable. It’s dark at the moment at about 6 ish. How can women possibly stay in after dark? What about work? I know many are working remotely at present, but women working in the NHS, or supermarkets, or emergency services, or teachers, or other jobs where that is not possible can’t be told to ‘stay in after dark’. The police are behaving as though it’s 1953 with all the little ladies tucked up a5 home waiting for Hubbie to get in from work. It’s crazy.

The reality is that there is an effective curfew self imposed on women due to fear of harassment and attack all the time. And yet once it’s suggested (tongue in cheek) that the potential harassers / attackers stay in after dark, there’s a huge fuss,

Everyone should feel safe to move around. We are fed up of having to worry about it. I listed on the other site the number of times I’ve been subject to an attack with some degree of physical assault. Not once have the police done anything at all, other than the letter a few weeks later saying sorry we can’t do anything. And yet stopping for a minute on a red route, they’ve found me no problem for that. Or parking at a broken meter. They frequently don’t have give a toss about women being subjected to what they view as low level violence or harassment. I’ve no idea whether other forces are the same - this is the Met. I’m sure there are great officers, but most I’ve ever come into contact with up here are utterly useless.

 

[Trampie]

Blydi hell I would not side with Perch, but there again I would not side with you, you being abusive again, dear me, some things don't change do they and for your information I've only got one username.

You’ll side with whoever is convenient for you to facilitate you trollIng.

You have quite literally taken a post from perch on the other site to pretend you believe I’m being disingenuous on here.

For your information, it’s far, far easier to recognise idiosyncrasies of writing style than people appear to think. Equally, it is easy
to pick up when someone’s general level of articulacy and writing age varies so widely between different posts.

I haven't sided with anybody and I don't side with anybody as a rule, but ever since I've seen you posting you are disingenuous and abusive and wondered what had you been up to again when seeing Perch's comments on you.
Since you think I have more than one username I would be interested to know who you think my other usernames are ?, as I don't think anyone else posted like me, not that I have noticed anyway.

 

[ABSwan]

I just glanced at some UK newspapers online, just the headlines not really read the stories.

The ones about the demonstrations against anti-women violence.

What are they actually wanting done.

May as well have a demonstration against burglaries.

There are bad people out there, we know that. We can only do what we can to protect ourselves the best we can. Short of arming all women what can be done? What are they expecting?

 

[Jack2jack]

I was pointing out that, if what I said was correct, that an instruction for women to stay in until the perpetrator was caught, was a reasonable one at that particular time and for that particular event. I wasn't referring to anything else.Am I wrong. Just asking.

Of course it isn’t reasonable. It’s dark at the moment at about 6 ish. How can women possibly stay in after dark? What about work? I know many are working remotely at present, but women working in the NHS, or supermarkets, or emergency services, or teachers, or other jobs where that is not possible can’t be told to ‘stay in after dark’. The police are behaving as though it’s 1953 with all the little ladies tucked up a5 home waiting for Hubbie to get in from work. It’s crazy.

The reality is that there is an effective curfew self imposed on women due to fear of harassment and attack all the time. And yet once it’s suggested (tongue in cheek) that the potential harassers / attackers stay in after dark, there’s a huge fuss,

Everyone should feel safe to move around. We are fed up of having to worry about it. I listed on the other site the number of times I’ve been subject to an attack with some degree of physical assault. Not once have the police done anything at all, other than the letter a few weeks later saying sorry we can’t do anything. And yet stopping for a minute on a red route, they’ve found me no problem for that. Or parking at a broken meter. They frequently don’t have give a toss about women being subjected to what they view as low level violence or harassment. I’ve no idea whether other forces are the same - this is the Met. I’m sure there are great officers, but most I’ve ever come into contact with up here are utterly useless.

So sorry to read of your experiences, that is simply not acceptable, and if that is how The Met handles complaints such as yours that is wholly unacceptable. There obviously needs to be a top to tail review.
Of course everyone needs to feel safe, and that is the primary purpose of the police, it's everyone right to be protected.
Just to be clear, and I appreciate that folk need to go about their business, I just indicated that I thought, that under the
circumstances that women for a few days, would be better off staying in where possible or at minimum be vigilant, until the lunatic was caught, I didn't mean forever and a day, that would be ridiculus and unworkable. If I'm not making my point clear, apologies.

 

[Darran]

You’ll side with whoever is convenient for you to facilitate you trollIng.

You have quite literally taken a post from perch on the other site to pretend you believe I’m being disingenuous on here.

For your information, it’s far, far easier to recognise idiosyncrasies of writing style than people appear to think. Equally, it is easy
to pick up when someone’s general level of articulacy and writing age varies so widely between different posts.

I haven't sided with anybody and I don't side with anybody as a rule, but ever since I've seen you posting you are disingenuous and abusive and wondered what had you been up to again when seeing Perch's comments on you.
Since you think I have more than one username I would be interested to know who you think my other usernames are ?, as I don't think anyone else posted like me, not that I have noticed anyway.

F*ck off from here before I bam you.

 

[Darran]

Of course it isn’t reasonable. It’s dark at the moment at about 6 ish. How can women possibly stay in after dark? What about work? I know many are working remotely at present, but women working in the NHS, or supermarkets, or emergency services, or teachers, or other jobs where that is not possible can’t be told to ‘stay in after dark’. The police are behaving as though it’s 1953 with all the little ladies tucked up a5 home waiting for Hubbie to get in from work. It’s crazy.

The reality is that there is an effective curfew self imposed on women due to fear of harassment and attack all the time. And yet once it’s suggested (tongue in cheek) that the potential harassers / attackers stay in after dark, there’s a huge fuss,

Everyone should feel safe to move around. We are fed up of having to worry about it. I listed on the other site the number of times I’ve been subject to an attack with some degree of physical assault. Not once have the police done anything at all, other than the letter a few weeks later saying sorry we can’t do anything. And yet stopping for a minute on a red route, they’ve found me no problem for that. Or parking at a broken meter. They frequently don’t have give a toss about women being subjected to what they view as low level violence or harassment. I’ve no idea whether other forces are the same - this is the Met. I’m sure there are great officers, but most I’ve ever come into contact with up here are utterly useless.

So sorry to read of your experiences, that is simply not acceptable, and if that is how The Met handles complaints such as yours that is wholly unacceptable. There obviously needs to be a top to tail review.
Of course everyone needs to feel safe, and that is the primary purpose of the police, it's everyone right to be protected.
Just to be clear, and I appreciate that folk need to go about their business, I just indicated that I thought, that under the
circumstances that women for a few days, would be better off staying in where possible or at minimum be vigilant, until the lunatic was caught, I didn't mean forever and a day, that would be ridiculus and unworkable. If I'm not making my point clear, apologies.

You are making your point clear A,exactly the same in Yorkshire when Sutcliffe was on the rampage but you did have *stupid twats on the internet back then.

*Not aimed at anyone on here.

 

[Itchysphincter]

Have you really missed the way swanjax is attempting to speak to her, because she’s a woman like?

Go on mate, enlighten me

:lol: I haven’t got a dog in the fight mate but it strikes me that she was being quite straightforward in clarifying that men being asked to stay in was not a suggestion, just that the point was made to demonstrate how ridiculous it was to ask women to stay in so they don’t get attacked. It’s just a hypothetical point but men were getting riled up at the suggestion.

Anyway, like I said, I have no axe to grind - I get it, Lisa can be annoying, so can I, and it appeared that the manner of your post when you were obviously digging her out was just an attempt to be annoying yourself.

I don’t think I needed to type all that because I think it’s all fairly obvious, even to Dazzler. :lol:

 

[Cooperman]

F*ck off from here before I bam you.

The 'a' is nowhere near the 'u' on a keyboard.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

Of course it isn’t reasonable. It’s dark at the moment at about 6 ish. How can women possibly stay in after dark? What about work? I know many are working remotely at present, but women working in the NHS, or supermarkets, or emergency services, or teachers, or other jobs where that is not possible can’t be told to ‘stay in after dark’. The police are behaving as though it’s 1953 with all the little ladies tucked up a5 home waiting for Hubbie to get in from work. It’s crazy.

The reality is that there is an effective curfew self imposed on women due to fear of harassment and attack all the time. And yet once it’s suggested (tongue in cheek) that the potential harassers / attackers stay in after dark, there’s a huge fuss,

Everyone should feel safe to move around. We are fed up of having to worry about it. I listed on the other site the number of times I’ve been subject to an attack with some degree of physical assault. Not once have the police done anything at all, other than the letter a few weeks later saying sorry we can’t do anything. And yet stopping for a minute on a red route, they’ve found me no problem for that. Or parking at a broken meter. They frequently don’t have give a toss about women being subjected to what they view as low level violence or harassment. I’ve no idea whether other forces are the same - this is the Met. I’m sure there are great officers, but most I’ve ever come into contact with up here are utterly useless.

So sorry to read of your experiences, that is simply not acceptable, and if that is how The Met handles complaints such as yours that is wholly unacceptable. There obviously needs to be a top to tail review.
Of course everyone needs to feel safe, and that is the primary purpose of the police, it's everyone right to be protected.
Just to be clear, and I appreciate that folk need to go about their business, I just indicated that I thought, that under the
circumstances that women for a few days, would be better off staying in where possible or at minimum be vigilant, until the lunatic was caught, I didn't mean forever and a day, that would be ridiculus and unworkable. If I'm not making my point clear, apologies.

Thanks.

And I wasn’t taking issue with what you said - it was pointing out the hopelessness of the response from the police always trying to shift the blame. I’m pleased that we are talking about this as for so long, no one has spoken about it.

I agree re the top to tail review of the Met. And other forces as well probably. I’ve long thought that that dreadful situation in Rotherham with the abuse of those young women and elsewhere was not only about fear of being regarded as racist but was also a general feeling from the police that ‘those sort of girls’ didn’t require much in the way of attention. Look at the Ripper case. Has anything really changed?

We literally have a situation where the potential sentencing for damaging a bloody statue is now twice as long as the sentence for a bloke assaulting me or my friends (male or female) in the street.

Let’s see what transpires, but if it does emerge that a serving police officer has been accused of indecent exposure twice (with cctv) and was still allowed to continue in his job it will sum up a lot of the problem. As does the fact that several months ago two police officers took selfies by the dead bodies of two murdered sisters and are still in work, still not been suspended.

The whole set up is rancid. Top down.

 

[Itchysphincter]

F*ck off from here before I bam you.

The 'a' is nowhere near the 'u' on a keyboard.

Bravo!

 

[Darran]

F*ck off from here before I bam you.

The 'a' is nowhere near the 'u' on a keyboard.

:lol:

 

[Londonlisa2001]

I just glanced at some UK newspapers online, just the headlines not really read the stories.

The ones about the demonstrations against anti-women violence.

What are they actually wanting done.

May as well have a demonstration against burglaries.

There are bad people out there, we know that. We can only do what we can to protect ourselves the best we can. Short of arming all women what can be done? What are they expecting?

I can only answer for myself and friends / family (as you can imagine there has been much talk about it).

As an analogy, some years ago, New York was generally regarded as a complete no go city. Appalling rates of crime. One of the big changes made was to target petty crime. Graffiti, vandalism. They found that the rates of all types of crime, right through to the most serious, fell away sharply. It was a zero tolerance attitude, and it worked.

There are very few men who will kidnap and murder a stranger. Very few that will rape. But there are no women I know who have not been attacked several times in far less serious ways. More minor assaults. Groping. Being chased. Being subjected to abuse. Being catcalled. Being scared to walk past a group of men.

In most groups of men, there will be one that is known as being a bit creepy, a bit of a lech. Be honest. You all know who they are. The ones that you wouldn’t feel comfortable leaving alone with your wife / girlfriend / younger sister. If that was called out, not with a bit of a laugh, but genuinely called out. If boys in school were taught to respect girls, in the way that girls are taught to ‘be careful’, ‘keep your keys in your hand’, ‘let your friends know where you are’, ‘pull out a few strands of your hair in the back of a cab’ etc etc etc. If there wasn’t such a widespread acceptance of violent pornography, revenge porn.

All these things would just change the atmosphere. The real psychos would still exist, but it wouldn’t be so difficult for us to distinguish between them and the blokes that think it’s funny to make a woman a bit scared, or those who become angry because a woman says no to them. It’s made so much more difficult, as it’s so hard to tell which is which until, I guess, it’s far too late. So we end up scared by all of it.

And the police need to start taking it seriously. Not just saying ‘men will be men’ in so many words.

 

[Trampie]

I was pointing out that, if what I said was correct, that an instruction for women to stay in until the perpetrator was caught, was a reasonable one at that particular time and for that particular event. I wasn't referring to anything else.Am I wrong. Just asking.

Of course it isn’t reasonable. It’s dark at the moment at about 6 ish. How can women possibly stay in after dark? What about work? I know many are working remotely at present, but women working in the NHS, or supermarkets, or emergency services, or teachers, or other jobs where that is not possible can’t be told to ‘stay in after dark’. The police are behaving as though it’s 1953 with all the little ladies tucked up a5 home waiting for Hubbie to get in from work. It’s crazy.

The reality is that there is an effective curfew self imposed on women due to fear of harassment and attack all the time. And yet once it’s suggested (tongue in cheek) that the potential harassers / attackers stay in after dark, there’s a huge fuss,

Everyone should feel safe to move around. We are fed up of having to worry about it. I listed on the other site the number of times I’ve been subject to an attack with some degree of physical assault. Not once have the police done anything at all, other than the letter a few weeks later saying sorry we can’t do anything. And yet stopping for a minute on a red route, they’ve found me no problem for that. Or parking at a broken meter. They frequently don’t have give a toss about women being subjected to what they view as low level violence or harassment. I’ve no idea whether other forces are the same - this is the Met. I’m sure there are great officers, but most I’ve ever come into contact with up here are utterly useless.

I've just read on the other site what you have gone through and it's awful, why do you live where you do, is moving an option ?

 

[Jack2jack]

So sorry to read of your experiences, that is simply not acceptable, and if that is how The Met handles complaints such as yours that is wholly unacceptable. There obviously needs to be a top to tail review.
Of course everyone needs to feel safe, and that is the primary purpose of the police, it's everyone right to be protected.
Just to be clear, and I appreciate that folk need to go about their business, I just indicated that I thought, that under the
circumstances that women for a few days, would be better off staying in where possible or at minimum be vigilant, until the lunatic was caught, I didn't mean forever and a day, that would be ridiculus and unworkable. If I'm not making my point clear, apologies.

Thanks.

And I wasn’t taking issue with what you said - it was pointing out the hopelessness of the response from the police always trying to shift the blame. I’m pleased that we are talking about this as for so long, no one has spoken about it.

I agree re the top to tail review of the Met. And other forces as well probably. I’ve long thought that that dreadful situation in Rotherham with the abuse of those young women and elsewhere was not only about fear of being regarded as racist but was also a general feeling from the police that ‘those sort of girls’ didn’t require much in the way of attention. Look at the Ripper case. Has anything really changed?

We literally have a situation where the potential sentencing for damaging a bloody statue is now twice as long as the sentence for a bloke assaulting me or my friends (male or female) in the street.

Let’s see what transpires, but if it does emerge that a serving police officer has been accused of indecent exposure twice (with cctv) and was still allowed to continue in his job it will sum up a lot of the problem. As does the fact that several months ago two police officers took selfies by the dead bodies of two murdered sisters and are still in work, still not been suspended.

The whole set up is rancid. Top down.

There are whole raft of issues here, none of which are easy to resolve without proper examination.
Resources, attitudes, the list is endless. Can they be resolved or indeed will they.
One thing we can say is that the whole system has gone rotten, and I'm talking everything here... from Government departments, big business, finance, the whole lot right down to grass roots. The Country is f**ked.
Take I easy, have a good evening.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

Of course it isn’t reasonable. It’s dark at the moment at about 6 ish. How can women possibly stay in after dark? What about work? I know many are working remotely at present, but women working in the NHS, or supermarkets, or emergency services, or teachers, or other jobs where that is not possible can’t be told to ‘stay in after dark’. The police are behaving as though it’s 1953 with all the little ladies tucked up a5 home waiting for Hubbie to get in from work. It’s crazy.

The reality is that there is an effective curfew self imposed on women due to fear of harassment and attack all the time. And yet once it’s suggested (tongue in cheek) that the potential harassers / attackers stay in after dark, there’s a huge fuss,

Everyone should feel safe to move around. We are fed up of having to worry about it. I listed on the other site the number of times I’ve been subject to an attack with some degree of physical assault. Not once have the police done anything at all, other than the letter a few weeks later saying sorry we can’t do anything. And yet stopping for a minute on a red route, they’ve found me no problem for that. Or parking at a broken meter. They frequently don’t have give a toss about women being subjected to what they view as low level violence or harassment. I’ve no idea whether other forces are the same - this is the Met. I’m sure there are great officers, but most I’ve ever come into contact with up here are utterly useless.

I've just read on the other site what you have gone through and it's awful, why do you live where you do, is moving an option ?

I have gone through hardly anything,.everyone I know has been through the same. It may be different in a very rural area but in a city it’s par for the course. The 97% of all women figure was a U.K. wide survey. With a sample large enough to provide over 99% confidence with a 3% margin for sampling error over a 30m population of adult women.