New Deal For Jay Fulton

[J_B]

Absolutely this, Jay seems to get blamed by a lot of ‘fans’ for us losing that final. A freak of an outcome to his challenge for the sending off.

We lost that final because Brentford were far better than us and Cooper set us up to fail.

 

[Dr. Winston]

We lost that final because Brentford were far better than us and Cooper set us up to fail.

Yep. We'd probably have lost that even if we'd had twelve men, never mind ten.

Cooper was on his way out the door and simply didn't give a shit.

 

[monmouth]

Just for completion, I've never blamed him for losing that final. The whole team was shocking, as was the manager. Woodman, Grimes, Roberts and Fulton had very poor games though, and yes he was unlucky with the sending off. To argue he's not been crap in many of the games he's played or partially played over the last few years is just trying to reinvent history. That may be down to how he's been played, Grimes, what he's been asked to do, who knows. He looks much better in the team now, for whatever reason. Some fans'maybe need to be more honest.

 

[Neath_Jack]

. To argue he's not been crap in many of the games he's played or partially played over the last few years is just trying to reinvent history.

Some fans'maybe need to be more honest.

That can be said about pretty much every player pre Matos, but Fulton is the one being singled out.

 

[monmouth]

That can be said about pretty much every player pre Matos, but Fulton is the one being singled out.

True. We were talking in the context of his new contract though. I think everyone is happy with that, but it would be no fun not to have an argument.

 

[Dr. Winston]

To argue he's not been crap in many of the games he's played or partially played over the last few years is just trying to reinvent history.

Or it's just being willing to acknowledge that Fulton unfairly carried a hell of a lot of the blame, perhaps even all of it, for what happened when he and Grimes were paired up, which was an all too frequent occurrence.

For whatever reason JF has been the red headed stepchild of the fanbase. A convenient target. The fact that every manager we've had in that time, eventually even the worst one, has used him regularly passes many people by. They're not picking him for a laff. They pick him because he's capable. Because he's one of the smarter players at the club.

I remember the howls of outrage at the Derby home game where he was straight into the starting lineup (with heavy involvement from Leon and Joey) and seemed to be the only player who immediately grasped what Matos was after.

I compared him to Naughton somewhere, might have been here, and that's a comparison I stand by. I see a lot of similarities between them. Both have been favoured whipping boys from some in the stands, yet have racked up hundreds of appearances for the club and been highly regarded by all the players and coaches they have been involved with during their time. Both superb professionals, fit and dedicated.

KN got his laurels in the end. Hopefully JF will too.

 

[Neath_Jack]

Or it's just being willing to acknowledge that Fulton unfairly carried a hell of a lot of the blame, perhaps even all of it, for what happened when he and Grimes were paired up, which was an all too frequent occurrence.

For whatever reason JF has been the red headed stepchild of the fanbase. A convenient target. The fact that every manager we've had in that time, eventually even the worst one, has used him regularly passes many people by. They're not picking him for a laff. They pick him because he's capable. Because he's one of the smarter players at the club.

I remember the howls of outrage at the Derby home game where he was straight into the starting lineup (with heavy involvement from Leon and Joey) and seemed to be the only player who immediately grasped what Matos was after.

I compared him to Naughton somewhere, might have been here, and that's a comparison I stand by. I see a lot of similarities between them. Both have been favoured whipping boys from some in the stands, yet have racked up hundreds of appearances for the club and been highly regarded by all the players and coaches they have been involved with during their time. Both superb professionals, fit and dedicated.

KN got his laurels in the end. Hopefully JF will too.

Hang it in the Louvre

 

[Darran]

Jobbie’s always loved a boring mundane player he hates anyone with a bit of flair and skill.

 

[Rhoshilljacks]

If Vic thinks he’s worth another 2 years then it’s ok by me. A man transformed in the last few months.

 

[DJack]

Or it's just being willing to acknowledge that Fulton unfairly carried a hell of a lot of the blame, perhaps even all of it, for what happened when he and Grimes were paired up, which was an all too frequent occurrence.

For whatever reason JF has been the red headed stepchild of the fanbase. A convenient target. The fact that every manager we've had in that time, eventually even the worst one, has used him regularly passes many people by. They're not picking him for a laff. They pick him because he's capable. Because he's one of the smarter players at the club.

I remember the howls of outrage at the Derby home game where he was straight into the starting lineup (with heavy involvement from Leon and Joey) and seemed to be the only player who immediately grasped what Matos was after.

I compared him to Naughton somewhere, might have been here, and that's a comparison I stand by. I see a lot of similarities between them. Both have been favoured whipping boys from some in the stands, yet have racked up hundreds of appearances for the club and been highly regarded by all the players and coaches they have been involved with during their time. Both superb professionals, fit and dedicated.

KN got his laurels in the end. Hopefully JF will too.

I wont lie, the last 3/4 games Jay played before the Matos revival, i was losing my patience with him even though i appreciated him.

Your post is bang on the money and Jay having a clear role is taking him back to the days when we could plainly see his ability.

 

[TruckerJack]

You’re not taking in to consideration the financial reward that signing for an another club on free brings with it.

I’m not convinced it would be anything of note. At 31/32 the transfer fee would be minimal/free anyway. I don’t think we could command a fee for Jay.

 

[Smurph]

I’m not convinced it would be anything of note. At 31/32 the transfer fee would be minimal/free anyway. I don’t think we could command a fee for Jay.

We wouldn't, he could have left on a free at the end of his contract.

If he'd signed for another club there is his wage and a hefty signing bonus based on the fact the club wouldn't be paying a transfer fee for him.

Anyhow this conversations is pretty redundant.

 

[Swanjaxs]

I’m not convinced it would be anything of note. At 31/32 the transfer fee would be minimal/free anyway. I don’t think we could command a fee for Jay.

Commanding a fee, for Jay Fulton, at 32 is irrelevant, 12 years service, for 300k paid, over 300 games, Premier League and Championship games under his belt mind, with more to come. See this wall of fame, on the right of the ticket office, Jay Fulton should be nailed for services rendered.

Anyone says different knows fuck all about the last 30 years of our history and can GET TAE FUCK! (#bullworkerstyle)

 

[TruckerJack]

We wouldn't, he could have left on a free at the end of his contract.

If he'd signed for another club there is his wage and a hefty signing bonus based on the fact the club wouldn't be paying a transfer fee for him.

Anyhow this conversations is pretty redundant.

But that only happens when the player has high intrinsic value. Because they are getting a high value player for free. That doesn’t happen when the player is largely valueless.

 

[TruckerJack]

Commanding a fee, for Jay Fulton, at 32 is irrelevant, 12 years service, for 300k paid, over 300 games, Premier League and Championship games under his belt mind, with more to come. See this wall of fame, on the right of the ticket office, Jay Fulton should be nailed for services rendered.

Anyone says different knows fuck all about the last 30 years of our history and can GET TAE FUCK! (#bullworkerstyle)

I’m delighted he’s signed a new contract.

The discussion then went to whether he could have demanded a massive signing on fee elsewhere as a free transfer.

That answer is entirely linked to his transfer value as a player, which unfortunately as a near 32 year old squad player is minimal to none, same for Joel Ward who also wouldn’t have been able to command a large signing on fee despite being free.

Ayew and Vipotnik without doubt would have had one when they signed for us for free, the likes of Joel and Jay wouldn’t be in a position to command such things though.