The ❌Kim Hellberg❌ Non-Managerial Thread

[Ronald Parp]

They've spent money and the club is a lot more organised off the pitch than it has been for years.

These owners are nothing like the last lot or possibly the ones before that.

I hope that you are correct, sincerely.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

Ps I was also referring to people like Gorringe as the board (apologies for the confusion)

Ah, ok.

The reason that the Board are important here btw (which is why I thought you were making the point you did) is because they are the ones that actually sign off recommendations made to them by Gorringe etc. and I’m not sure they would have the expertise to say ‘no’.

It seems to me that we have little football expertise making these decisions.

Gorringe is an administrator and Worth is not a football person by profession either.

If someone was a football person at the top it doesn’t matter so much as they could act as a sense check. (I would be surprised if Modric is involved to such an extent he contributes here).

 

[Treehuggerjack]

Ah, ok.

The reason that the Board are important here btw (which is why I thought you were making the point you did) is because they are the ones that actually sign off recommendations made to them by Gorringe etc. and I’m not sure they would have the expertise to say ‘no’.

It seems to me that we have little football expertise making these decisions.

Gorringe is an administrator and Worth is not a football person by profession either.

If someone was a football person at the top it doesn’t matter so much as they could act as a sense check. (I would be surprised if Modric is involved to such an extent he contributes here).

I guess it could be raised in a fans forum that this may be the case and is there anyone at the club currently with that knowledge.
Like when Curt was around?

 

[Menston4128]

It’s definitely torturous. And the trains aren’t much better - no traffic jams but stopping everywhere takes ages from Parkway to Swansea. The weather was terrible on Saturday so every train from London was around 50 minutes late. Hellberg must have thought “this is shit. And infrequent buffet service. I’m going to Boro, it’s closer to Sweden anyway”.

Have you tried getting around Yorkshire (Middlesborough is just about in North Yorkshire) and the North East?

I can assure you it is also torturous and he will likely have to fly from Manchester if wants a trip back home a good 3hrs drive (maybe 4hrs drive if the M62 is causing its normal delays) to Middlesborough

 

[Swans Jack]

I was thinking this is either going to be a canny appointment that turns out to be genius, or we'll be making another change by February. But then I checked myself, and it's just far more likely to end up completely humdrum and average, just like the last god knows how many coaches we've had in the last few years. I'm neither excited nor disappointed by this appointment. I don't really care anymore tbh.

Can't remember who said it the other day but whoever said it made what looks like a very prescient point - owners were quite happy to splurge £10m+ on players last summer, but they don't seem to think forking out serious bucks for a more proven coach is worth a go. Strikes me as muddled thinking.

Think we can't go over 13 million over the rule of 3 years or something. I'm not an expert, but Gorringe said we are on track to breaking even and going into profit if we get a sponsor that is big. Either way it seems with Duff and his payout just recently ending, you have Williams and now Sheehan the club won't spend large amounts on a big manager. Something we will have to get used to for a few more years. Do I feel they are trying to be clever, 100%. They will have egg on there face if this doesn't work by Feb as you said. Feels very much like a Cardiff appointment for some reason. Who knows, let's hope we are all wrong.

 

[Dillwyn the Dog]

Clemente now confirmed at Norwich

Paolo??? Does he wear a raincoat?

 

[Dillwyn the Dog]

This is a serious question to which I don't know the answer but are there any young League 1 managers who we should at least consider? I'd rather be looking there than in the 2nd division of the Portuguese league.

We did that with Williams and that was a disaster , and he had a supposed “track record”.

 

[tardylum]

Ah, ok.

The reason that the Board are important here btw (which is why I thought you were making the point you did) is because they are the ones that actually sign off recommendations made to them by Gorringe etc. and I’m not sure they would have the expertise to say ‘no’.

It seems to me that we have little football expertise making these decisions.

Gorringe is an administrator and Worth is not a football person by profession either.

If someone was a football person at the top it doesn’t matter so much as they could act as a sense check. (I would be surprised if Modric is involved to such an extent he contributes here).

This is what terrifies me, it seems for 18 months the only person we have had making decisions is Worth and he has no track record of making decisions. Now, that also means he has no track record of making bad decisions in football. So similar to Matos and Sheehan, he could sink or swim but it is a giant leap of faith by the owners that he is the man. Are they just gullible and have a weakness for the gift of the gab? They have gone with inexperienced and unproven for the most consequential roles each time.

 

[Dillwyn the Dog]

Its not exactly hard to look "organised" with the windows we've had in the past.

Was it organised or was it just better then the awful windows we had before? ST and RW, Grimes + O'Brien + Darling replacement were the most important positions we needed to address.

Grimes was replaced with Galbraith fair enough great decision. I'll give them that.

The other positions have been very very questionable and bordering on disaster.

Benson doesn't look up to it and will be sent back in Jan imo.

Idah is very very questionable he's looked a bit better in the last couple of games, but for 7mill its very dubious to say the least. Thank God Vip has hit some form (someone they tried selling btw) to cover for him.

Burgess I had my doubts when we signed him and again I think he's looked very shaky. Considering he's alot older then Darling and probably on more wages I'm not convinced its an upgrade.

O'Brien was replaced by Yalcoue who the manager didn't fancy even before his stupid red card. I think he looks promising but he's definitely a huge downgrade.

You don’t know much about anything do you. Benson is just weak, every other player we’ve acquired has definite value but we had a cowardly manager who didn’t have the courage to play to the squad’s strengths. Hopefully the new manager whoever he is will recognise how best to set up to get the most from the owners quite significant outlay.

 

[SwanseaBoy123]

I can't be the only one who feels like this appointment has absolutely nothing to with data that they claim to use. Hellberg, I could understand he had data to support him, and the logic was definitely there.

Matos wasn't even on the shortlist when we were looking after LW sacking. So what have they seen in those 8 months to have him as our 2nd choice?

I just can't see any logic in this decision. He's managed 12 games in his career, (in the Portuguese 2nd division aswell) so if they're using that small amount of data to make a decision as big as this, they really are more incompetent than the last lot.

This has to be an appointment based on some recommendations made from an agent or someone inside of football that they trust that's genuinely the only reason I can think as to why they'd appoint him.

 

[Jackareme]

He is managing a team that is big for that division. They were only relegated the year before last. And the team leading that division is a reserve team.

Look, let’s be honest. This is an absolutely ludicrous decision.

It may turn out brilliantly - In the same way as someone putting five grand on number 17 may turn out brilliantly for someone with a mountain of credit card debt.

It doesn’t mean the decision to take on that gamble wasn’t utterly ridiculous.

We will have an inexperienced head coach, with an inexperienced head of recruitment and a CEO that has never worked at this level and was brought in to do a lower level job.

My biggest worry is that it smacks of someone trying to be bloody clever.

And before anyone starts, yes, I hope he does well, yes, I’d prefer him to Russell Martin (I’d prefer Russell Grant to Russell Martin), no, I won’t change my mind that this is a ludicrous decision if we end up getting promoted and winning the champions league, anymore than I’d suddenly think playing Euromillions is a great way to budget for the future of your family if you happened to win.

19 NOT 17 - trust me!!

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

Hellburg is not going to Boro!!

 

[WentToSchoolWith]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1990593379009507521

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

Hellburg is not going to Boro!!

Scrub that. He is.

 

[tardylum]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1990593379009507521

This is nice to hear but does it really mean anything? If he had taken over last season with them down and out and put up a good fight and then started this season strongly, then I would be intrigued by him. He has managed 11 league games, won 6 and scored 13 goals. How can that be described as him completely changing things, for a side that has just been relegated and are one of the biggest sides in the country. It would be like saying Martin completely transformed Southampton when they were relegated. That is just a random portuguese fan so no offence to him but he also says their team is of a low Championship level which we know is not true. For better or worse, no executive, fan or anyone in football can be sure he is good based on just 11 games. After 20 games Swansea fans may have been rational to think Sheehan was the man to lead them forward.

I did not think Sheehan was going to be our coach long term but I worried exactly this would happen if we sacked him. Sheehan would not have gotten us relegated, we may have just been stuck in low midtable. Under Matos I think anything could happen and you would be a dreamer to say there is zero chance we end up with a 3rd manager this season.