Williams out

[A4Jack]

Well that's it, Football fans are fickle and to call Vipotnik league 2 level and also Cullen just highlights fans views and expectancy especially of their own clubs.
We are doing OK given the squad, finances and quality at hand.

Today is a dissapointment but in the grand scheme of things.....we are doing OK. I think at this stage getting rid of our manager would be really silly and make many outsider say WTF and rightly so.

So if we wait another year like we did with Martin and sit precisely as we are now with square pegs in round holes, an unbalanced squad and spending money to get nowhere. What do we do then?

Accept it hasn't turned around like it hasn't in the first twelve months and rip it all up or just take the hit now?

 

[Dr. Winston]

So many people are so desperate to nail their colours to the mast with Williams that they're more than happy - like Luke is - to throw the players under the bus.

They're being thrown under the bus in favour of a manager with a win rate similar to Michael Duff. With a better squad (arguably) than Michael Duff. A manager who has delivered a promotion from the non league whereas Duff had success several times in the Football League.

Duff was his own worst enemy. If he'd played the game and sucked up to the supporters who believe that the Cardiff games are the be all and end all of our season instead of being honest he might have bought himself some more time.

I am however not in the Williams out camp (yet). Changing managers is expensive and disruptive and I'd much rather not do it. However, we can't go around pretending that all our problems this season are down to the squad when clearly they're not.

He needs to wise up, and do it quickly. Or we'll be his second sacking in three jobs.

 

[magicdaps10]

Marc Guehi was pretty shit in his first few outings, the lad turned out alright after a run in the first team.

That is a fair and good point.

Quality eventually shines through and he proved that by becoming an International.
Maybe Bianchini has the quality and could be a future French International.

 

[Smurph]

That is a fair and good point.

Quality eventually shines through and he proved that by becoming an International.
Maybe Bianchini has the quality and could be a future French International.

Giving the lad a run in the team in his natural position would be a start.

 

[magicdaps10]

Giving the lad a run in the team in his natural position would be a start.

Played mainly as a right winger but also played a few games up top in ligue 2.

Doesnt look comfortable hugging the touch line, maybe a front 3 with the 2 outer players more in field cpuld be an option.

 

[Smurph]

Played mainly as a right winger but also played a few games up top in ligue 2.

Doesnt look comfortable hugging the touch line, maybe a front 3 with the 2 outer players more in field cpuld be an option.

Tell me any player who looks comfortable on the pitch with the odd minute here and there.

If he's a winger play him on the wing.

 

[LaJollaJack]

I did though!

We know why he plays inverted full back, drops Grimes back and splits the centre halves.
Does it work all the time? It clearly doesn't all the times as it shows Key, Cabango and Grimes up but when it does work it makes those 3 perform above their level.

We are a mid table table team with an average squad and sit 12th.

So you agree he does that do congest the middle, to retain possession ? Any other rationale Daps ?

He does this ONLY to boost HIS team's possession stats.

No other benefit other than boosting HIS team's possession stats, HIS CV - all at the significant expense of our Club. Again.

 

[LaJollaJack]

We can keep sacking managers, won't make a difference. We have zero ambition as a club in general.

Look around the league and you'll see owners who will go for the Premier League, win or bust. We are just happy treading water.

I don't care about the new majority shareholders. We need a complete reset. Club is going absolutely nowhere but some on here will have you believe the future is great - I've got news for you all: it's bleak.

And Rog, you say this from your field in Gorseinon, where you analyse stuff ?

You want Willy In ? Rationalize, please.

We have new, new owners with their sights set firmly on the next, next level. Significant new funding, significant business transformation. The future's bright.

Folk like you ought to stay deeply entrenched in your deepest darkest fields in deepest darkest Gorsonion.

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

We're not really doing ok through are we.

The football on display is absolute dogshit

We're 12th, with a pretty crap squad.

Whenever we've lost a game this season, it's usually been by the odd goal. We are usually in games with a chance of points right up until the end. What I see is a squad that hasn't really anything more to give, regardless of who is in charge.

Ask the current bottom 3 or 4 what dogshit really looks like, they'll be able to tell you.

We've been spoilt, we have. For a period of about 6 years, on our way up to and during our earliest years in the PL, we were treated to some amazing football. Unfortunately I think a lot of our fans just can't cope or accept mediocrity after that, and/or lack the ability to put mediocrity into context and react to it proportionately.

For the wages we pay and the transfer fees we are willing to fork out to the size of our support and everything else besides, mid table Championship club is about right and that is exactly what we are. People need to come to terms with it. Throwing strops because we're not magically better than that is just not going to get us anywhere.

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

Ronald has gone to shit?

Ronald hasn't gone to shit, he is shit.

See, this is the problem I'm talking about. Too many people get way too excited about a player early on after a couple of good spells in matches, they take that to mean those are the true performance levels, when the reality is the odd flash we see is the outlier, the majority of the time these players just do not deliver.

Paterson was another one. Ntcham. McKay. Celina. The list goes on.

We've become a club that attracts inconsistency and mediocrity. It's who we are now.

 

[A4Jack]

Ronald hasn't gone to shit, he is shit.

See, this is the problem I'm talking about. Too many people get way too excited about a player early on after a couple of good spells in matches, they take that to mean those are the true performance levels, when the reality is the odd flash we see is the outlier, the majority of the time these players just do not deliver.

Paterson was another one. Ntcham. McKay. Celina. The list goes on.

We've become a club that attracts inconsistency and mediocrity. It's who we are now.

I get your point.

But the better managers turn inconsistent players into good players. We haven't seen one player turn from okay to very good under Luke.

Who's to say that Ronald's standard is this and not what we saw before? The inconsistency here is that Bianchini was written off for being shit based off a couple of sub appearances yet Ronald was excellent initially, is shit now and it's all to do with them.

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

But the better managers turn inconsistent players into good players.

You can only do that if the underlying talent is there though.

Good example was going from Jackett to Roberto. I think it was pretty much universally acknowledged that the likes of Robinson, Trundle, Tate, Leon, OTJ, Monk etc were all capable of playing a far more expensive style of football and they were all being sold a bit short by Jackett's one dimensional old fashioned 4-4-2. So it proved.

I look at this squad and I don't see any potential there for a so called "better" coach to work with and develop, other than Franco and possibly Key. I think most of these players are at their ceiling already. We've seen enough of several of them over several seasons under several bosses to know that by now.

 

[Smurph]

We're 12th, with a pretty crap squad.

Whenever we've lost a game this season, it's usually been by the odd goal. We are usually in games with a chance of points right up until the end. What I see is a squad that hasn't really anything more to give, regardless of who is in charge.

Ask the current bottom 3 or 4 what dogshit really looks like, they'll be able to tell you.

We've been spoilt, we have. For a period of about 6 years, on our way up to and during our earliest years in the PL, we were treated to some amazing football. Unfortunately I think a lot of our fans just can't cope or accept mediocrity after that, and/or lack the ability to put mediocrity into context and react to it proportionately.

For the wages we pay and the transfer fees we are willing to fork out to the size of our support and everything else besides, mid table Championship club is about right and that is exactly what we are. People need to come to terms with it. Throwing strops because we're not magically better than that is just not going to get us anywhere.

No doubt they would say it's similar to watching us.

I can count on one hand how many games I've enjoyed watching over the last 12 months.

The squad maybe shit so is the manager inability to influence a game with either his line up or in game decisions.

Football is an entertainment business, the attendances tell us how shit we are at entertaining.

It doesn't matter how much spin is put on the squad, the manager needs to take responsibility for playin stuff that at leasts keeps us awake for the full 90 minutes.

 

[Smurph]

You can only do that if the underlying talent is there though.

Good example was going from Jackett to Roberto. I think it was pretty much universally acknowledged that the likes of Robinson, Trundle, Tate, Leon, OTJ, Monk etc were all capable of playing a far more expensive style of football and they were all being sold a bit short by Jackett's one dimensional old fashioned 4-4-2. So it proved.

I look at this squad and I don't see any potential there for a so called "better" coach to work with and develop, other than Franco and possibly Key. I think most of these players are at their ceiling already. We've seen enough of several of them over several seasons under several bosses to know that by now.

Craig Bellamy has transformed Wales using the same players as Rob Page.

 

[A4Jack]

No doubt they would say it's similar to watching us.

I can count on one hand how many games I've enjoyed watching over the last 12 months.

The squad maybe shit so is the manager inability to influence a game with either his line up or in game decisions.

Football is an entertainment business, the attendances tell us how shit we are at entertaining.

It doesn't matter how much spin is put on the squad, the manager needs to take responsibility for playin stuff that at leasts keeps us awake for the full 90 minutes.

How can anyone say that Bianchini, Vip, Eom etc are shit based on such a small sample?

Tymon wasn't shit at Stoke. These players are good enough to take it to Leeds and dominated against Sunderland for 35 minutes. That is the bar that should be set in terms of that's what they can do.

So the players capability is proven now and again. Is it not.on the management to deliver on getting a consistent tune from that?