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Londonlisa2001 said:
Itchysphincter said:
Was goalkeeper really a problem that needed solving? There’s a pungent reek of ego coming from somewhere. Are we going to keep trashing players, or are we going to develop what we have?

Well done me it was around bottom of the list to be honest.


Uhhh? Have you got an iPhone too, or can I not read?
 
Jacket said:
There is little point in this loan in terms of developing for the future, we are unlikely of making the playoffs granted. So why bother, you may well ask. But the point of this is just to get bodies in to avoid us from having to turn to Dhanda, to actually have any options off the bench. It's a given, is it not, that Ntcham is highly, highly unlikely to play every game, same goes for Obafemi. Also, I very much doubt Wolf would have been signed if it wasn't for the impending departure of Patison.

If we are unlikely to make the playoffs, I don’t see why we wouldn’t turn to Dhanda. He may be fine. Even if not playing him surely increases his value or makes him more attractive to others.
If we end up with Dhanda and Fulton still here and being paid why not play them and why bring anyone in unless they are kart of our long term planning.
 
Itchysphincter said:
Londonlisa2001 said:
I’m genuinely struggling to see the point of this. From a financial perspective I mean.

I’m sure he’s a lovely player but the chance of us achieving the playoffs must be remote and I’d assume that finding permanent deals that can aid our longer term aspirations would be a better use of our limited funds,
We are desperately short in key areas for the longer term and yet can’t seem to find the funds to do much about it. Spending money on a short term loan with no prospect of it turning permanent appears odd to me.

This isn’t a great window to date. Assuming each window should be a step to shaping a squad I’m not sure what we are doing save trying to deal with the goalkeeping situation.

Was goalkeeper really a problem that needed solving? There’s a pungent reek of ego coming from somewhere. Are we going to keep trashing players, or are we going to develop what we have?

Bends should have played every single game until we knew one way or the other if he would grow into it. God knows Cullen got enough chances, and I applaud that principle. We saw he wouldn’t make it, at least yet.
 
Itchysphincter said:
Londonlisa2001 said:
Well done me it was around bottom of the list to be honest.


Uhhh? Have you got an iPhone too, or can I not read?

Bloody typing…


It should have said ‘for me it was bottom of the list’ - getting a keeper that is.
 
Londonlisa2001 said:
Jacket said:
There is little point in this loan in terms of developing for the future, we are unlikely of making the playoffs granted. So why bother, you may well ask. But the point of this is just to get bodies in to avoid us from having to turn to Dhanda, to actually have any options off the bench. It's a given, is it not, that Ntcham is highly, highly unlikely to play every game, same goes for Obafemi. Also, I very much doubt Wolf would have been signed if it wasn't for the impending departure of Patison.

If we are unlikely to make the playoffs, I don’t see why we wouldn’t turn to Dhanda. He may be fine. Even if not playing him surely increases his value or makes him more attractive to others.
If we end up with Dhanda and Fulton still here and being paid why not play them and why bring anyone in unless they are kart of our long term planning.

Last season, Dhanda looked less and less attractive every time he came on. Martin also probably believes he can make the playoffs, but doesn't think he can do it with Fulton or Dhanda, and probably reckons it's better to take a gamble, and that's what it is, on Wolf. He realizes now, and probably understood it when he took the job, that if it was going to be a success at Swansea he was going to have to do it without the level of long term planning that would be desirable, and was going to have to use the loan market. It's worth noting that to date we have been less reliant on loans under Martin than under Cooper.
 
Brave man to take number 13, it is almost always avoided by players who are an infamously superstitious bunch.
Welcome to Swansea Mr Wolf
 
Just read through his first interview absolutely top notch sounds like he’s very excited to be here
 
https://twitter.com/bhoysanalytics/status/1478327288504725505?s=21

18 page scouting report off Celtic fan page when they were meant to be signing him. Decent read.
 
Itchysphincter said:
Was goalkeeper really a problem that needed solving? There’s a pungent reek of ego coming from somewhere. Are we going to keep trashing players, or are we going to develop what we have?

If you think back to the start of the season, RM tried to get Benda coming out, almost into the CB position and playing with the ball at his feet. With disastrous consequences.

We then had one of the international breaks and suddenly Hamer was in the team and we started to see, for the first time, the wide centre backs really pushing into the full back slots with more emphasis on the likes of Grimes and Downes dropping in to act as play makers. He pretty much abandoned what he tried to do with Benda.

I wonder whether a keeper with Fisher's attributes are vital to the way he wants to play and whether we'll go back to playing how we were trying to play right at the start of the season.
 
bakajack said:
Brave man to take number 13, it is almost always avoided by players who are an infamously superstitious bunch.
Welcome to Swansea Mr Wolf

I thought he got Routs’ old number?
 
Cooperman said:
bakajack said:
Brave man to take number 13, it is almost always avoided by players who are an infamously superstitious bunch.
Welcome to Swansea Mr Wolf

I thought he got Routs’ old number?

Photo on official site shows him holding up number 13 shirt
 
Londonlisa2001 said:
I’m genuinely struggling to see the point of this. From a financial perspective I mean.

I’m sure he’s a lovely player but the chance of us achieving the playoffs must be remote and I’d assume that finding permanent deals that can aid our longer term aspirations would be a better use of our limited funds,
We are desperately short in key areas for the longer term and yet can’t seem to find the funds to do much about it. Spending money on a short term loan with no prospect of it turning permanent appears odd to me.

This isn’t a great window to date. Assuming each window should be a step to shaping a squad I’m not sure what we are doing save trying to deal with the goalkeeping situation.


The thing is, nobody knows exactly what the financial situation is within the club or what this deal has cost us (i.e. what else we could have got for the same price). Neither does anybody know what the financial impact of losing Laird and Williams has had on funds. I am assuming it has helped with the wage bill. Did we pay a loan fee? Is some of that refunded if the loan is cut short?

Martin has talked a lot about long term aspirations and building something, however he seemed very excited to have Wolf here. He also said it was within our budget. That's good enough for me.

I have read a lot of things on us utilising the loan market most of which are very black or white. Whilst I am generally in the camp that we should be relying on our own players, what a lot of people have failed to take into account is that one or two good loans (i.e. miles better than what we had already... so a Laird rather than a Williams) can have a positive financial impact further down the line.

1. If Wolf helps us to finish higher in the league, we become a more attractive proposition next season which might help us attract better players or encourage some to take a wage cut to come here. Maybe he'll have an impact whereby we sell some more season tickets or have larger gates between now and May

2. If having him in the team allows Piroe to score X more goals than he otherwise would have done, perhaps we get more money for him when he is inevitably sold.

3. Perhaps having Wolf in the team will improve some other players.

4. If he has a successful loan spell and gets a good move in the summer, it is another feather in the cap for Martin, another example he has of why a player should come here and play instead of going to Stoke on an extra £5k a week.

5. Perhaps a successful loan spell will open the door to us taking another player from the club/agent next season who could be the difference between us going up and not.

6. If there is nobody else out there who fits the bill for what we need, surely it is better to get someone in for the short term, on a financial basis we are happy with? Perhaps there is someone we are confident of getting cheaper in the Summer than now? Maybe Wolf now plus X player in the summer works out cheaper than X player now.

Plenty of our fans are critical of the board for not spending and "speculate to accumulate" is a phrase I read a lot and I think this can apply to loan signings too. For all we know as fans, the club feels confident that spending £X on Wolf now may give us a financial yield in the future.

For what it's worth, I think the Playoffs are probably gone whatever we do in January and definitely gone if we don't get a defender or two in. However, we do have a lot of games in hand, some excellent players and far stranger things have happened.
 
Looks tidy from what I've seen of him.
Welcome to the mad house.
 

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