22/23 The Official Stoke v Swansea Match Thread

[monmouth]

Ok, now the blood pressure is down. If I’d come in and seen the final score 1-1, I would have thought, ok, better than I thought, so that’s what I’m programming myself to think.

Fact is, we need a better manager. Fact is, we ain’t going to get one. Fact is we need a defensive coach and to stop the crap at the back. Fact is, we’re not going to. So there’s no real point in getting excited, this is what we have until we are starting to look in serious trouble, or not, after say 30 games. May as well just relax and watch the show. Expect more late drama.

 

[Muteswan]

Taken from BBC report of the game.

“Martin's Swansea have been struggling for form, and they almost gifted Stoke an early opener when one of their unorthodox goal-kick routines ended with Andy Fisher gifting possession to Lewis Baker.“

That’s a normal free kick routine don’t they know.

 

[sainthelens]

1 win in 14 games - that’s sackable

Certainly is.
But the guy is a fraud, and he'll keep going.
And with our home crowd way too laid back and apathetic to it all, it'll just continue.

 

[bakajack]

The one thing I am clinging to is that Forest at this point looked absolute gash last season and they ditched their manager early and got in someone who played to their strengths. Board have to look at 1 win in 14 and take action, the squad is far better than their current position says they are.

 

[3swan]

RM has to learn that there is plenty to be lauded for when distributing the ball well but there are times especially in the last 5 mins or a game or so when you just need to manage the game. If the ball is down the other end of the pitch they can't score, especially when Stoke looked like they couldn't score from open play if the game went on for 90 hours let alone 90 minutes.

He's managed 138 games, if he can't see it now he never will. He'll still come out with small details cost us.
Well here's a thought for him, all games are, that's why you don't keep repeating the same mistakes, you find a way to eliminate them, not expect the magical moment that it all works.

 

[Fireboy]

Lack of bottle? FFS what a pathetic comment.

If you offered a point before the game would you have taken it?

Look at the positives, we have unearthed another prospective star in oli, it looks like oba isn't going and we got a point away against a side who beat a side who beat us 3 nil.

Onwards and upwards

Yes lets look at this game in isolation and ignore the fact that we have let a two goal lead slip twice this season and two three goal leads at the end of last season.

That's not to mention the games like Luton where we have conceded once and completely folded.

Would you have posted the same lack of bottle comment if we had scraped the win?

Answer my original question please? I guess it would be yes.

I take every game as it comes, I was expecting a drubbing with Stoke beating Blackburn away who beat us 3 nil at home.

Very unhappy at throwing away 2 pointa buy pleasantly surprised at the performance, hopefully we can push on and play better, make more chances and close games out, if we dont we will be near the bottom three, if we are RM should go.

 

[3swan]

Ok, now the blood pressure is down. If I’d come in and seen the final score 1-1, I would have thought, ok, better than I thought, so that’s what I’m programming myself to think.

Fact is, we need a better manager. Fact is, we ain’t going to get one. Fact is we need a defensive coach and to stop the crap at the back. Fact is, we’re not going to. So there’s no real point in getting excited, this is what we have until we are starting to look in serious trouble, or not, after say 30 games. May as well just relax and watch the show. Expect more late drama.

Agree,most fans can see it, opposing fans can see it,opposing commentators can see it.

Why have we a manager who is the only one who can't see it.

 

[3swan]

Yes lets look at this game in isolation and ignore the fact that we have let a two goal lead slip twice this season and two three goal leads at the end of last season.

That's not to mention the games like Luton where we have conceded once and completely folded.

Would you have posted the same lack of bottle comment if we had scraped the win?

Answer my original question please? I guess it would be yes.

I take every game as it comes, I was expecting a drubbing with Stoke beating Blackburn away who beat us 3 nil at home.

Very unhappy at throwing away 2 pointa buy pleasantly surprised at the performance, hopefully we can push on and play better, make more chances and close games out, if we dont we will be near the bottom three, if we are RM should go.

On another day a draw there would be a good result.

The problem is there is no signs that we can close games out. Most teams towards the end of a game will play the percentage game and lump into our area. We can't handle that while we look to play out instead of clearing immediate pressure.

 

[Fireboy]

Would you have posted the same lack of bottle comment if we had scraped the win?

Answer my original question please? I guess it would be yes.

I take every game as it comes, I was expecting a drubbing with Stoke beating Blackburn away who beat us 3 nil at home.

Very unhappy at throwing away 2 pointa buy pleasantly surprised at the performance, hopefully we can push on and play better, make more chances and close games out, if we dont we will be near the bottom three, if we are RM should go.

On another day a draw there would be a good result.

The problem is there is no signs that we can close games out. Most teams towards the end of a game will play the percentage game and lump into our area. We can't handle that while we look to play out instead of clearing immediate pressure.

I think we all know that and it bloody frustrating, hopefully it can be sorted on the training pitch, if it cannot then we are in deep doo doo and as I've said RM should go.

 

[3swan]

On another day a draw there would be a good result.

The problem is there is no signs that we can close games out. Most teams towards the end of a game will play the percentage game and lump into our area. We can't handle that while we look to play out instead of clearing immediate pressure.

I think we all know that and it bloody frustrating, hopefully it can be sorted on the training pitch, if it cannot then we are in deep doo doo and as I've said RM should go.

Hope so, but the mistakes are so basic I can't see it happening unless RM changes his views.

So far he has shown no signs of doing it.

 

[Nocountryforoldjack]

On another day a draw there would be a good result.

The problem is there is no signs that we can close games out. Most teams towards the end of a game will play the percentage game and lump into our area. We can't handle that while we look to play out instead of clearing immediate pressure.

I think we all know that and it bloody frustrating, hopefully it can be sorted on the training pitch, if it cannot then we are in deep doo doo and as I've said RM should go.

He will go it's just a matter of time because everyone can see he's just bluffing it.

 

[3swan]

Just seen the equaliser, two players went out towards the player who put the cross in. Neither went to close him down. Criminal and comical defending

Yeah spotted that, they just ran close to him then did a comedy jump, Stoke player had all day to put the cross in. We are doomed

And two players with the Stoke player who headed it back. Neither leaned into him well enough.

 

[LeonWasTheDog's]

Yep. I was screaming at him to just clear it, but he dithered. He had loads of time to deal with that. We still failed to close down the cross and challenge for the knock back, but we needn’t have even been defending balls into the box if Fisher had been decisive and cleared the danger. Surprise surprise, he’s a L1 keeper from L1.

Problem is that is the way he is being told to play it, the fault lies more with RM for demanding that than with Fisher for making that play. I do agree though that if that went long it would have been a different story.

Yeah, probably. He's a decent enough shot stopper, but gets us into trouble too often by fannying around to play to orders.

 

[LeonWasTheDog's]

Remember the last 2 or 3 seasons in the Premier league where we got progressively worse and eventually relegated? The trends and patterns are very similar here in the championship.

Players trying to play an alien way with flaws and unnatural to them. Conceding stupid goals, dropping points with late goals. The occasional horror show and the odd dicking l. An annoyed negative fan base with stubborn, prickly coaches who refuse to change as the ego won't let them. Chopping and changing players every season while defaulting to players with poor substitutions when on positions to pick up points.

Next to happen will be players looking half arsed.

Make no mistake, we are in a relegation battle already. Anyone think we have the squad with the guts for that? I don't.

Honestly I think the problem is the coach.
We have a very good squad and people shouldn't forget that. RM was directly responsible for this one with his subs.

I'm not convinced we have that good a squad - it's got weaker year on year since we've been back in the championship. I do think they could be a better drilled unit though, especially at the back. You can't legislate for Obafemi missing loads of chances up top, but you can be well organised defensively (look at the differnce Cooper's coaching team made compared to how vulnerable we were at set pieces under Potter, for example).

 

[Fireboy]

I think we all know that and it bloody frustrating, hopefully it can be sorted on the training pitch, if it cannot then we are in deep doo doo and as I've said RM should go.

Hope so, but the mistakes are so basic I can't see it happening unless RM changes his views.

So far he has shown no signs of doing it.

That is the problem mate, Ive started not to allow myself to get wound up like so many on top and especially the indy, some people just make me laugh, they are bi polar, if we had managed to hold out for three points they would cockahoop, now they are venting their spleens.