All the rumours about Cooper

[Neath_Jack]

I'm not good at losing.

Explains your betting... :joy: :speak_no_evil:

No need for that you bitch :x :lol:

 

[DJack]

Explains your betting... :joy: :speak_no_evil:

No need for that you bitch :x :lol:

:innocent: :hugging: :zipper_mouth:

 

[Badlands]

As I wrote before (somewhere) most fans normally watch the Swans at home.
Potter's record at home was far better than Cooper's, more entertaining and more goals.
Fans were leaving the Liberty upbeat and often buzzing. After a Cooper game ieven when we won there was at best muted discussion.
If we play good entertaining football we won't get relegated and, while hoping for promotion, I would rather watch really entertaining home matches even if we didn't reach play offs.
The fact that Potter left us after a season and Cooper is still here despite hawking himself to other clubs should tell you a lot.

 

[Vetchonian]

I can see both sides of the argument though most people that refuse to admit that Cooper has been relatively successful can’t.

Of and I’ll say it again,people like Perch posting about his facial features are the scum of the earth.

My argument is that we could have been more successful with the players that he has had at his disposal.

Yet Potter who had Dan James, McBurnie,Van Der Hoon, Celina,Fer, Dyer failed to get near the play offs is lauded on here and often defended.Many look back at through rose tinted spectacles at the football he played....Dan James made it exciting, without him the football would have been so so.

 

[JoshTheJack]

My argument is that we could have been more successful with the players that he has had at his disposal.

Yet Potter who had Dan James, McBurnie,Van Der Hoon, Celina,Fer, Dyer failed to get near the play offs is lauded on here and often defended.Many look back at through rose tinted spectacles at the football he played....Dan James made it exciting, without him the football would have been so so.

The flip side of that is it was one of the most unstable periods in recent history for us,He didn't have control over transfers like Cooper has(although he's got better contacts) lots of ins and outs and young players coming through.
He managed to gel us fairly quickly.We were shafted by VAR in what would have been a fully deserved victory over Man city(That Celina goal has go down as one of our best ever imo).
Yeah we were inconsistent it was our first season after relegation we all knew we weren't going to be top end simply because the way we are run our finances were more important and rightly so.I'm still left wondering to what would've happend had Potter stayed one more season and had Ayew at his disposal.He's done well at Brighton.

 

[jruss]

Yet Potter who had Dan James, McBurnie,Van Der Hoon, Celina,Fer, Dyer failed to get near the play offs is lauded on here and often defended.Many look back at through rose tinted spectacles at the football he played....Dan James made it exciting, without him the football would have been so so.

The flip side of that is it was one of the most unstable periods in recent history for us,He didn't have control over transfers like Cooper has(although he's got better contacts) lots of ins and outs and young players coming through.
He managed to gel us fairly quickly.We were shafted by VAR in what would have been a fully deserved victory over Man city(That Celina goal has go down as one of our best ever imo).
Yeah we were inconsistent it was our first season after relegation we all knew we weren't going to be top end simply because the way we are run our finances were more important and rightly so.I'm still left wondering to what would've happend had Potter stayed one more season and had Ayew at his disposal.He's done well at Brighton.

You make out like James and McBurnie were ready made 15-20 million pound players. James had never started a senior league game, couldn't get a game at Shrewsbury and was due to go to Yeovil on loan. I guess Potter just got lucky when he decided to use him and develop him? The flack Potter took first bringing James on at Brum in that 0-0 was very, very loud on the internet as he looked like a dear in headlights.

Mcburnie had half a season of championship football.

Fer, come on, the most over rated player in the history of the club who was either injured or half bothered most of the time.

Cooper did have Celina, but didn't like him or want him, played him out of position then got shot of him.

Dyer didn't play until December and it was clear his best days were gone.

You mention VDH but fail to mention he was the only senior centre half at the club that season where Potter gave Rodon a debut and loaned Carter-Victors. Cian Harries was 4th choice??? If only he had the experience of Ryan Bennet hey?

Context matters. When you consider it all, Potter did very well, and actually hit the mandate set for him. Re-introduce the style of play, bed the young players into the side and re-build.

 

[Dr. Winston]

Under Potter we looked like what we were. A club being rebuilt towards a particular goal, a particular style. Far from the finished article, but looking like we knew where we were headed. Two years into Cooper's tenure and can anyone say the same thing? Have we had a plan other than defend like hell and hope Ayew can come up with something?

 

[Vetchonian]

Under Potter we looked like what we were. A club being rebuilt towards a particular goal, a particular style. Far from the finished article, but looking like we knew where we were headed. Two years into Cooper's tenure and can anyone say the same thing? Have we had a plan other than defend like hell and hope Ayew can come up with something?

Really?
Thats not the tack we used at the start of last season or against Bristol City at home when we couldnt score even though we created hatfuls of chances..certainly didnt sit back in that game ....what did Cooper keep sayingabout a recognised striker?

This post just shows how Potter is defended yet he failed to get us in the playoffs Cooper got us to 6th in his first season with a team/squad which was "freshly" assembled and to 4th in his second season...I would say the goal was to get us promoted....that is what his bosses had charged him with...
Take the rose tinted specs off the football under Potter was not not as great as many make out....without JAmes the football would not have been as "entertaining" as many make out.

Both Managers had tasks ahead of them due to the changes and constraints in the club...dont forget Potter was an "expereinced" manager at senior level...whislt for Cooper this was his forst foray into dealing with the "big boys", yet Potter gets cut lots of slack...

Yes the football played in the last quarter of the season was not great but it wasnt always like that ...Cooper turned to the strength in his squad to attempt to achieve the goal it back fired....a bit like Carvahal .....
I have spent a lot of time watching back matches from last season and there are plently of moments with attacking football played...BUT there are also lots of "risk averse" moments...problem is too many people use this as a basis to discredit Cooper.
We ah ev a new season dawning with what appears to be trhe addition of attacking players lets see how it pans out.

 

[Vetchonian]

The flip side of that is it was one of the most unstable periods in recent history for us,He didn't have control over transfers like Cooper has(although he's got better contacts) lots of ins and outs and young players coming through.
He managed to gel us fairly quickly.We were shafted by VAR in what would have been a fully deserved victory over Man city(That Celina goal has go down as one of our best ever imo).
Yeah we were inconsistent it was our first season after relegation we all knew we weren't going to be top end simply because the way we are run our finances were more important and rightly so.I'm still left wondering to what would've happend had Potter stayed one more season and had Ayew at his disposal.He's done well at Brighton.

You make out like James and McBurnie were ready made 15-20 million pound players. James had never started a senior league game, couldn't get a game at Shrewsbury and was due to go to Yeovil on loan. I guess Potter just got lucky when he decided to use him and develop him? The flack Potter took first bringing James on at Brum in that 0-0 was very, very loud on the internet as he looked like a dear in headlights.

Mcburnie had half a season of championship football.

Fer, come on, the most over rated player in the history of the club who was either injured or half bothered most of the time.

Cooper did have Celina, but didn't like him or want him, played him out of position then got shot of him.

Dyer didn't play until December and it was clear his best days were gone.

You mention VDH but fail to mention he was the only senior centre half at the club that season where Potter gave Rodon a debut and loaned Carter-Victors. Cian Harries was 4th choice??? If only he had the experience of Ryan Bennet hey?

Context matters. When you consider it all, Potter did very well, and actually hit the mandate set for him. Re-introduce the style of play, bed the young players into the side and re-build.

The same Fer who is a regular in the Feynoord team who are ranked significantly higher than the Swans...
Dan James who was pursued by Leeds,
It was always obvious McBurnie had the goal scoring potential...
Like i say Potter is cut a lot of slack...dont forget he had input to players he got us to spunk out how much? on Asoro

Celina had his best game against Man City.....he had something to prove..how often do ex players excel against us?

 

[Dr. Winston]

And claims that it's only "in the last quarter of the season" that Cooperball was dull to watch show how he is defended.

Barring the odd game here and there we've been as dull as ditchwater to watch for most of the last two years. We were getting booed off the pitch regularly from about September 2019 onwards. He's a defensive tactician. Flair players, whether they be midfielders or wingers barely get a look in and are then generally discarded. If you were selling his defensive style as a means to an end then fine. I don't like it, but that makes sense at least. To claim that actually we do play decent stuff despite two season's worth of evidence to the contrary well, there's not much else to say to that. For all the credit you give Daniel James for lifting the Potter team, what are the odds he'd have had a look in under Cooper at all? Slim to none.

I do believe I stated that we were far from the finished article under Potter too. I'm not blind to the bad parts, but neither do I forget that the growing consensus on forums such as this was that we were starting to play decent stuff again. His time will forever go down as what could have been. If he'd had Ayew available alongside McBurnie and James, or if he hadn't upped sticks when another club came straight in for him.

 

[JoshTheJack]

You make out like James and McBurnie were ready made 15-20 million pound players. James had never started a senior league game, couldn't get a game at Shrewsbury and was due to go to Yeovil on loan. I guess Potter just got lucky when he decided to use him and develop him? The flack Potter took first bringing James on at Brum in that 0-0 was very, very loud on the internet as he looked like a dear in headlights.

Mcburnie had half a season of championship football.

Fer, come on, the most over rated player in the history of the club who was either injured or half bothered most of the time.

Cooper did have Celina, but didn't like him or want him, played him out of position then got shot of him.

Dyer didn't play until December and it was clear his best days were gone.

You mention VDH but fail to mention he was the only senior centre half at the club that season where Potter gave Rodon a debut and loaned Carter-Victors. Cian Harries was 4th choice??? If only he had the experience of Ryan Bennet hey?

Context matters. When you consider it all, Potter did very well, and actually hit the mandate set for him. Re-introduce the style of play, bed the young players into the side and re-build.

The same Fer who is a regular in the Feynoord team who are ranked significantly higher than the Swans...
Dan James who was pursued by Leeds,
It was always obvious McBurnie had the goal scoring potential...
Like i say Potter is cut a lot of slack...dont forget he had input to players he got us to spunk out how much? on Asoro

Celina had his best game against Man City.....he had something to prove..how often do ex players excel against us?

Asoro and Maja amongst others were being touted out by Sunderland i doubt it was a Potter signing.
Cooper Would not have done as well without Potter being here first.Coopers first season we were lucky to make the play offs due to a epic implosion from Forest and the season just gone the amount of times we fluked wins early on it wasn't just committed defending imo.
We limped to the end of this season i'm amazed we got past Barnsley.The whole team were up for the Man City game we outplayed them for parts,Stark contrast the the Play off final agaisnt a team we didn't lose to under Potter.

 

[Vetchonian]

And claims that it's only "in the last quarter of the season" that Cooperball was dull to watch show how he is defended.

Barring the odd game here and there we've been as dull as ditchwater to watch for most of the last two years. We were getting booed off the pitch regularly from about September 2019 onwards. He's a defensive tactician. Flair players, whether they be midfielders or wingers barely get a look in and are then generally discarded. If you were selling his defensive style as a means to an end then fine. I don't like it, but that makes sense at least. To claim that actually we do play decent stuff despite two season's worth of evidence to the contrary well, there's not much else to say to that. For all the credit you give Daniel James for lifting the Potter team, what are the odds he'd have had a look in under Cooper at all? Slim to none.

I do believe I stated that we were far from the finished article under Potter too. I'm not blind to the bad parts, but neither do I forget that the growing consensus on forums such as this was that we were starting to play decent stuff again. His time will forever go down as what could have been. If he'd had Ayew available alongside McBurnie and James, or if he hadn't upped sticks when another club came straight in for him.

Yet more "rubbish" I fail to remember the boos..we had some mixed results, we had 17 shots 5 of which on target V Brentfords 14 7 of which were on target in the 0-3 loss we endured at home and despite losing 1-2 to Fulham in November this was written as part of the report


"Yet Fulham were under pressure in the early stages as Swansea began with purpose.

A flowing Swansea move ended with Andre Ayew crossing for Sam Surridge, but his effort was saved at point-blank range by Marek Rodak.

Fulham's goalkeeper was in action again seconds later, pushing away Kyle Naughton's curling shot, before Rodak's sliced clearance almost led to a spectacular Swansea opener.

Matt Grimes did well to volley the ball into Byers' path and his long-range drive hit the outside of the post.

Kristoffer Peterson then fizzed a shot over, but it was Fulham who found a path to goal in their first notable attack.

When Aboubakar Kamara volleyed Joe Bryan's inviting cross on to the crossbar, the rebound fell perfectly for Mitrovic to head home.

Swansea tried to respond, with Byers forcing another smart save from Rodak before Ayew's overhead kick flew straight into the Slovakian's arms.

Having soaked up the pressure, Fulham showed their clinical streak once more to make it 2-0."

Again you "distort" the actual facts to suit your agenda...that Fulham report does not sound like a side sitting back waiting for Ayew to do something....lots of the match reports reports read like that...and the stats show us creating chances.....the problem was we got off to a flyer..Cooper had Manager of the month...the curse struck...we started losing at home so Cooper reverted to safety first but things were never as dour as you portray. They may not compare with the "heady days" of Martinez, Rodgers and LAudrup but they are still not as you paint

 

[Dr. Winston]

Yet more "rubbish" I fail to remember the boos.

Ten seconds on Google. Almost the perfect article.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/swansea-citys-steve-cooper-addresses-17732808

 

[monmouth]

Yet more "rubbish" I fail to remember the boos.

Ten seconds on Google. Almost the perfect article.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/swansea-citys-steve-cooper-addresses-17732808

I wouldn't bother arguing.

Barring a miracle, it's in the post.
It's coming home.

 

[Vetchonian]

Yet more "rubbish" I fail to remember the boos.

Ten seconds on Google. Almost the perfect article.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/swansea-citys-steve-cooper-addresses-17732808

Yes but this game was in February 2020 not Septemebr 2019 as you claim .....there were no such reports until then.
We scored 4 goals away from home next game, the issue was we started the season well then floundered ....depsite playing attacking football the reports say it all...the issue was we couldnt finish we werent scoring goals...that QPR game was the only game we didnt gat a shot on target.
We can all trawl the net and find data to back our claims BUT there is more evidence to counter the arguement put about that Copper only ever defends..
We as fans are all entitled to our opinions...but the pure "myth" that has been born about Coopers style is not as well founded as many make us believe....it is not helped by Coopers personality and media approach..and the fact we have been forced to watch on screen...its a different game on the tele to the live expereince.
I am not saying that what we have seen has been "vintage" but in the main it was no less entertaining than that served under Potter...we measure everything by the Man CIty game...all the team that day really raised their game...and Potter had experience of cup runs in Sweden so knew what to do.
I am just saying that this myth about Cooper being all defensive minded is not strictly true though he tends to "Play safe" at times.
Yes he has dropped flair players...Peterson for one but check out the match reports he was forever guilty of giving away possession...