All the rumours about Cooper

[Itchysphincter]

And claims that it's only "in the last quarter of the season" that Cooperball was dull to watch show how he is defended.

Barring the odd game here and there we've been as dull as ditchwater to watch for most of the last two years. We were getting booed off the pitch regularly from about September 2019 onwards. He's a defensive tactician. Flair players, whether they be midfielders or wingers barely get a look in and are then generally discarded. If you were selling his defensive style as a means to an end then fine. I don't like it, but that makes sense at least. To claim that actually we do play decent stuff despite two season's worth of evidence to the contrary well, there's not much else to say to that. For all the credit you give Daniel James for lifting the Potter team, what are the odds he'd have had a look in under Cooper at all? Slim to none.

I do believe I stated that we were far from the finished article under Potter too. I'm not blind to the bad parts, but neither do I forget that the growing consensus on forums such as this was that we were starting to play decent stuff again. His time will forever go down as what could have been. If he'd had Ayew available alongside McBurnie and James, or if he hadn't upped sticks when another club came straight in for him.

100%. These claims that the football was poor towards the end of last season is utter, utter tosh. It's been poor since day one. There's been the odd game like Cardiff away where the players have shown him what they're capable of but he's always insisted on reverting to type. If there was ever a team that limped to the playoffs in spite of the manager it was us, last season.

 

[Neath_Jack]

Ten seconds on Google. Almost the perfect article.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/swansea-citys-steve-cooper-addresses-17732808

I wouldn't bother arguing.

Barring a miracle, it's in the post.
It's coming home.

I agree, because he is spouting nonsense.

Like politics, once someone nails their colours to the mast, they will perform some incredible gymnastics to appear correct.

"We were getting booed off the pitch regularly" - Belongs in an "article" on another website and peddled as the truth. Maybe you're both being sucked in by that nonsense.

 

[monmouth]

I wouldn't bother arguing.

Barring a miracle, it's in the post.
It's coming home.

I agree, because he is spouting nonsense.

Like politics, once someone nails their colours to the mast, they will perform some incredible gymnastics to appear correct.

"We were getting booed off the pitch regularly" - Belongs in an "article" on another website and peddled as the truth. Maybe you're both being sucked in by that nonsense.

Not at all. I’m saying if we keep playing that way, there will be a lot of booing unless we manage to win more home games and even then there will be massive disgruntlement if we are not at the top. I don’t think he can spawn so many results playing like that again and that the post xmas results will be the norm.

If he’s staying I hope he can expand it and change but I’m saying I don’t expect that for one second. It may well be an entitled childish tantrum, but I want to feel good watching the team play and I want success. I think we could have had more than we did for the last two seasons in terms of building something that might be sustainable should we ever get promoted. I’d much rather roll the dice than suffer more of the same.

And I’m not being sucked in by anything. I have been entirely consistent about this since about December 2019, when it was obvious this was just Clement all over again.

 

[Badlands]

I agree, because he is spouting nonsense.

Like politics, once someone nails their colours to the mast, they will perform some incredible gymnastics to appear correct.

"We were getting booed off the pitch regularly" - Belongs in an "article" on another website and peddled as the truth. Maybe you're both being sucked in by that nonsense.

Not at all. I’m saying if we keep playing that way, there will be a lot of booing unless we manage to win more home games and even then there will be massive disgruntlement if we are not at the top. I don’t think he can spawn so many results playing like that again and that the post xmas results will be the norm.

If he’s staying I hope he can expand it and change but I’m saying I don’t expect that for one second. It may well be an entitled childish tantrum, but I want to feel good watching the team play and I want success. I think we could have had more than we did for the last two seasons in terms of building something that might be sustainable should we ever get promoted. I’d much rather roll the dice than suffer more of the same.

And I’m not being sucked in by anything. I have been entirely consistent about this since about December 2019, when it was obvious this was just Clement all over again.

That's what happened under Monk.

 

[Vetchonian]

And claims that it's only "in the last quarter of the season" that Cooperball was dull to watch show how he is defended.

Barring the odd game here and there we've been as dull as ditchwater to watch for most of the last two years. We were getting booed off the pitch regularly from about September 2019 onwards. He's a defensive tactician. Flair players, whether they be midfielders or wingers barely get a look in and are then generally discarded. If you were selling his defensive style as a means to an end then fine. I don't like it, but that makes sense at least. To claim that actually we do play decent stuff despite two season's worth of evidence to the contrary well, there's not much else to say to that. For all the credit you give Daniel James for lifting the Potter team, what are the odds he'd have had a look in under Cooper at all? Slim to none.

I do believe I stated that we were far from the finished article under Potter too. I'm not blind to the bad parts, but neither do I forget that the growing consensus on forums such as this was that we were starting to play decent stuff again. His time will forever go down as what could have been. If he'd had Ayew available alongside McBurnie and James, or if he hadn't upped sticks when another club came straight in for him.

100%. These claims that the football was poor towards the end of last season is utter, utter tosh. It's been poor since day one. There's been the odd game like Cardiff away where the players have shown him what they're capable of but he's always insisted on reverting to type. If there was ever a team that limped to the playoffs in spite of the manager it was us, last season.

This is the problem too many people actually believe this but this was not the case
see the highlights from an early home game below we appear to be playing attacking football but as was to be our story we couldnt put the chances away
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDAb4pWXx4M

Check out the match report from the game where we narrowly lost at Norwich

https://www.skysports.com/football/norwich-vs-swansea/429831

and note the quote

"Swansea had their chances in an even game, with Jamal Lowe failing to take two clear-cut opportunities in the second half, and on this evidence both teams should be pushing for promotion come the end of the season."

see below from the Brentford game which we drew up there but could have won it doesnt sound like we sat back at 1-1

He almost paid dearly for the miss when Roberts' slide-rule pass played in sub Viktor Gyokeres who slid his first-time effort past the far post.

It was only a temporary reprieve though, as seconds later Ayew levelled to set up the grandstand finish, with the visitors always looking the more likely to nick the points.

"He almost paid dearly for the miss when Roberts' slide-rule pass played in sub Viktor Gyokeres who slid his first-time effort past the far post.

It was only a temporary reprieve though, as seconds later Ayew levelled to set up the grandstand finish, with the visitors always looking the more likely to nick the points.

Gyokeres went close with a glancing header that drifted just past the post as the game grew increasingly niggly before Ayew's disallowed effort."

YOu can read it all here
https://www.skysports.com/football/brentford-vs-swansea/429814

There are further examples of our attacking prowess but many post the myth that under Cooper its not to be. I dont deny there have been some games where we have been wanting in terms of attck led/attractive football and I believe especially as we approached the seasons end Cooper went into safety first mode....he certainly went for it against Bristol City at home but again we couldnt convert the chances to goals and the myth of Pearson tactical switch being our undoing was born the fact we went 1-0 up despite that tactical genius and then gave away sloppy goals!!!
Yes we are all entitled to our opinions and will never all agree, I see that at games when I m sure we see it ourselves that not everyone around us has the same view on certain players, or how they saw a passage of play. But for me the constant distortion of facts becomes wearing..

 

[Itchysphincter]

100%. These claims that the football was poor towards the end of last season is utter, utter tosh. It's been poor since day one. There's been the odd game like Cardiff away where the players have shown him what they're capable of but he's always insisted on reverting to type. If there was ever a team that limped to the playoffs in spite of the manager it was us, last season.

This is the problem too many people actually believe this but this was not the case
see the highlights from an early home game below we appear to be playing attacking football but as was to be our story we couldnt put the chances away
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDAb4pWXx4M

Check out the match report from the game where we narrowly lost at Norwich

https://www.skysports.com/football/norwich-vs-swansea/429831

and note the quote

"Swansea had their chances in an even game, with Jamal Lowe failing to take two clear-cut opportunities in the second half, and on this evidence both teams should be pushing for promotion come the end of the season."

see below from the Brentford game which we drew up there but could have won it doesnt sound like we sat back at 1-1

He almost paid dearly for the miss when Roberts' slide-rule pass played in sub Viktor Gyokeres who slid his first-time effort past the far post.

It was only a temporary reprieve though, as seconds later Ayew levelled to set up the grandstand finish, with the visitors always looking the more likely to nick the points.

"He almost paid dearly for the miss when Roberts' slide-rule pass played in sub Viktor Gyokeres who slid his first-time effort past the far post.

It was only a temporary reprieve though, as seconds later Ayew levelled to set up the grandstand finish, with the visitors always looking the more likely to nick the points.

Gyokeres went close with a glancing header that drifted just past the post as the game grew increasingly niggly before Ayew's disallowed effort."

YOu can read it all here
https://www.skysports.com/football/brentford-vs-swansea/429814

There are further examples of our attacking prowess but many post the myth that under Cooper its not to be. I dont deny there have been some games where we have been wanting in terms of attck led/attractive football and I believe especially as we approached the seasons end Cooper went into safety first mode....he certainly went for it against Bristol City at home but again we couldnt convert the chances to goals and the myth of Pearson tactical switch being our undoing was born the fact we went 1-0 up despite that tactical genius and then gave away sloppy goals!!!
Yes we are all entitled to our opinions and will never all agree, I see that at games when I m sure we see it ourselves that not everyone around us has the same view on certain players, or how they saw a passage of play. But for me the constant distortion of facts becomes wearing..

I’ve acknowledged there were glimpses of what the team could do. What gets wearing is people just doing the numbers and trying to peddle the myth that we were anything else other than atrocious for the majority of the time. Other than the one or two who call Rob Phillips every Saturday and a couple of nutters on the message board I’ve yet to speak to a real life Swans fan who is happy with the performance of this manager when it comes to getting a tune out of a talented squad. I wish Cooper no malice but he’s not even a busted flush, he was an experiment that has failed and unfortunately our best chance of being competitive for some time has sailed.

 

[J_B]

It’s those few exceptions and the brief glimpses during games of what the team were capable of that makes it worse. The exception proves the rule and we played stultifying, boring football most of the time.

If the results dry up we’ll have the worst of both worlds and that’s something that Cooper should fear.

 

[Dr. Winston]

It’s those few exceptions and the brief glimpses during games of what the team were capable of that makes it worse.

It's those little glimpses that put paid to the lie that Cooper was doing the best he could with the players he had. Truth is we mostly played that way entirely by design.

 

[Swansea93]

Couple of glances of him in the new training video again today, still though no official word /photos of him from the club, it does seem abit strange.