I thought I was dreaming the 20mph limit

[Squarebear]

Disabled neighbour had to walk on the road to get past a parked car earlier. The driver was there - at 2pm - on the school run.

Apparently the driver was sympathetic but declined to move his car. Classy.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Pavement parking is a curse and I’d vote for a party who pledges to do something about it. Oh I already did. Get it done, Drakers.

 

[Jack2jack]

The Disability Discrimination Act recommends that a minimum of 1200mm width of footway should be kept free of obstructions. Now our pavement is 1000 mm wider than the minimum on both sides ( I'm a saddo and have measured it ). It is bin day and my car was on the pavement (other cars in the drive) and there is still 1400mm of clearance - if people can not traverse this gap then maybe they should not be out on the pavement.

Two buggies or a buggy and a wheelchair user travelling in opposite directions can't pass in a 1400mm gap, which one do you suggest goes onto the road? Just asking politely.

 

[Jack2jack]

After googling a little bit about this, initial impressions that this pavement parking ban, has nothing to do with disability! I'm thinking maybe the anti car brigade are using the disabled organisations to promote their agenda. And from what I have read so far, they don't want any car on the pavement, even if there is plenty of room, they really do not give a hell, their solution for narrow roads, get a drive, or park in a garage.

To be fair I'd give more thought for the safety of blind person or young mother pushing a pram, rather than some soft get who cant park responsibly and walk a few extra yards.
I've worked closely with disability groups in the past, and in the main are very level headed people who are working tirelessly to give minority groups a fair crack of the whip. Next time your out and about, put a blindfold on, see how you get on.

 

[Niigata Jack]

To be fair I'd give more thought for the safety of blind person or young mother pushing a pram, rather than some soft get who cant park responsibly and walk a few extra yards.
I've worked closely with disability groups in the past, and in the main are very level headed people who are working tirelessly to give minority groups a fair crack of the whip. Next time your out and about, put a blindfold on, see how you get on.

Great post, people are selfish and moreso when behind the wheel, its all about them and they'll more than take advantage of drivers who are courteous and give way, even when its their right of way.

 

[Niigata Jack]

Disabled neighbour had to walk on the road to get past a parked car earlier. The driver was there - at 2pm - on the school run.

Apparently the driver was sympathetic but declined to move his car. Classy.

Disgusting piece of shit.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Disgusting piece of s**t.

In general people are selfish, inconsiderate twats. At the risk of generalising slightly.

 

[Swanjaxs]

Anyone who parks up on a pavement should have thier car towed away and be forced to pay £200 to get it back, within 7 days or the crusher, thier choice...

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Some pavement parking is inevitable in 2023 but people need to be considerate about it. Which leads back to my earlier point about people being selfish, inconsiderate twats.

 

[jack_lord]

Two buggies or a buggy and a wheelchair user travelling in opposite directions can't pass in a 1400mm gap, which one do you suggest goes onto the road? Just asking politely.

This is a fair question. What happens if the pavement is 1200mm as many are? Also, when they are travelling in opposite direction what do they do if a car is parked on the road? Do they use common sense? I am interested as there are a number of points in my village where the paths are narrow. I am in the fortunate position of living near the very end of a cul-de-sac and know every neighbour and what issues they may have. Everyone is polite and parking on the wider paths has been taken as a necessity. My neighbour across the road was blue lighted in the last twelve months and if the car had been parked on the road at the entrance to our wat then the ambulance would not have got there. Should they have parked on the road? It is a polite question as nothing is as clear as some people would believe.

 

[Jack2jack]

This is a fair question. What happens if the pavement is 1200mm as many are? Also, when they are travelling in opposite direction what do they do if a car is parked on the road? Do they use common sense? I am interested as there are a number of points in my village where the paths are narrow. I am in the fortunate position of living near the very end of a cul-de-sac and know every neighbour and what issues they may have. Everyone is polite and parking on the wider paths has been taken as a necessity. My neighbour across the road was blue lighted in the last twelve months and if the car had been parked on the road at the entrance to our wat then the ambulance would not have got there. Should they have parked on the road? It is a polite question as nothing is as clear as some people would believe.

Yep, fair points made there, my issue is regarding a more general problem of indisciminate parking and selfish folk who park willy nilly with no regard for anyone but themselves. I take your point that it is not always cut and dried, and it is an issue not easily resolved, albeit folk in some instances could try harder.

 

[jack123]

To be fair I'd give more thought for the safety of blind person or young mother pushing a pram, rather than some soft get who cant park responsibly and walk a few extra yards.
I've worked closely with disability groups in the past, and in the main are very level headed people who are working tirelessly to give minority groups a fair crack of the whip. Next time your out and about, put a blindfold on, see how you get on.

But my point was never about making things difficult for a blind person, a disabled person.

My fears are it will be handled in the same way, the WAG have messed up the 20mph, if you read what I said, I wasn't promoting some lazy git, not prepared to walk a few yards, if what I think might happen, some may have to get a taxi home from their parked car, and if the WAG play the cards the same way as the 20 mph, that may not be far from wrong.

I'm not sure what it's like in other places in Wales, but I know in Swansea, in some places there are certainly a good few areas that pavement parking is a necessity due to the width of the actual roadway, and it's just not one or two roads, it's the majority of the roads in that area Like the person, could not park down the next road, or the one after, and so on.

It's not an easy answer, parking and other highway stuff seems to trouble many people, I have even spoke to a councillor, completely useless, seems the standard reply you get is, 'We never thought, there would be so many cars on the road', and that's it, that's all they can say.

If I came across as a blasé , I can assure you, I was certainly not acting like that, I would rather find a decent solution to a problem, than create another.

 

[jack123]

Going back to OP about this, and now I have experienced it since Monday.

Hardly anyone is doing 20, example out today, waited at traffic lights, about 8 cars in front, lights turn green, and guess what all doing 30..

Hey it was clearly signposted 20 though.. :lol: :lol:

 

[TheLoneRanger]

"Back in March, 2022, the town became one of eight guinea pigs trialling a new standard 20mph speed limit - and they soon said it was causing more problems than it was solving and claimed it was doing 'quite the opposite' of its aim to save lives."

"Maybe they should have gone down to 25mph instead, I think the public may have got on board with this more"





https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/welsh-town-trialled-20mph-speed-27772691

 

[JackSomething]

"Back in March, 2022, the town became one of eight guinea pigs trialling a new standard 20mph speed limit - and they soon said it was causing more problems than it was solving and claimed it was doing 'quite the opposite' of its aim to save lives."

"Maybe they should have gone down to 25mph instead, I think the public may have got on board with this more"





https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/welsh-town-trialled-20mph-speed-27772691

There's no evidence to back up anything they're saying though, is there? It's all anecdotal evidence. I imagine WG have looked at the actual statistics that have resulted from the trial and worked from that rather than people moaning. If evidence showed there was actually more accidents in the area after the 20mph limit was introduced, or air pollution was worse, then they'd have a point.

Let's face it, there's a proportion of the population who will moan at absolutely anything, so we can't base huge infrastructure decisions on how many people moan about something.