I thought I was dreaming the 20mph limit

[Neath_Jack]

Look at these soppy twats, all those names on the 'petition to end all petitions' and about 100 of them turned up :lol: :lol:

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/live-updates-20mph-speed-limit-27773588

 

[jack123]

So a week has past, and everything is still moving as it was pre 20mph. Colour me surprised.

Of course, as I explained earlier, the majority of sensible people are ignoring it, and not driving like miss daisy labour dripford drones.

 

[rockinj]

So a week has past, and everything is still moving as it was pre 20mph. Colour me surprised.

And your extended analysis comes from what?

Anecdotally I’m speaking to me many people who have been impacted and it’s just the start.

Do you honestly think there won’t be any issues as a result of this? Tailgating is bad at 30mph imagine what it’ll be like if people are driving 16-18mph.

It’s a recipe for disaster. It’s not exactly visionary to see potential for serious problems with journey times extended and all sorts of other unintended consequences.

And I haven’t even talked about the environment. 2000 revs in most modern cars will get you to around 20mph in second gear. That is far more polluting, than moving through gears to higher gears and more free flowing traffic.

Come on don’t just wiggle your tongue come back at me with your evidence

 

[exiledclaseboy]

If only people read manifestos and took part in the full public consultation on this very issue instead of whining about it after the fact.

 

[jack_lord]

If only people read manifestos and took part in the full public consultation on this very issue instead of whining about it after the fact.

Even if these people read manifestos how are they going to be able to interpret the vague language that the party suggested. 20 in residential areas is completely different to the default speed limit. I took part in the consultation with my feelings of support in sensitive areas. I hope this gains momentum but I fill it will not. I am not going to support a party that is ignoring the consensus. If it means I dont vote then so be it.

 

[jack123]

If only people read manifestos and took part in the full public consultation on this very issue instead of whining about it after the fact.

Nobody would be whining, if they had been upfront in what they are doing. Let's face it the labour has been infiltrated by lefty communist ghouls, you think I'm kidding? Google the organisations who were involved in the 20mph task force.

There is no other word to describe what they have done, other than deceitful.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Nobody would be whining, if they had been upfront in what they are doing. Let's face it the labour has been infiltrated by lefty communist ghouls, you think I'm kidding? Google the organisations who were involved in the 20mph task force.

There is no other word to describe what they have done, other than deceitful.

There was a manifesto commitment and a full public consultation that lasted three months. How much more up front do you want it to be?

And you have no idea what communist means.

 

[Jack2jack]

Sounds good all that, :lol:

But I will tell you, that you are wrong. You should take it from the horses mouth, from the people that have experienced this for a longer period.

You say you imagine WG have looked at the actual statistics, Guess what there are none, the report was released in March from TFW, it's just a load of twaddle, and they say a lot longer would be needed for accident and air pollution stats, a brief look at it, and the only stats I can see were, the compliance of drivers obeying the new limits.

On the air pollution front, I recall watching a documentary on the Neath Road traffic calming scheme (pre MDR). Whereby it was found that after installation of the traffic calming measures, the air quality plummeted, causing also sorts of respiratory problems for residents living there. It was found that slow moving traffic stopping and starting was affecting the air quality severely. The construction of the MDR and removal of traffic calming has improved things, I believe. Not sure if Neath Road is now 20mph,if so will it have an adverse effect on air quality.

 

[jack123]

There was a manifesto commitment and a full public consultation that lasted three months. How much more up front do you want it to be?

And you have no idea what communist means.

ok, but honestly for me, the implications of what they intended, seemed to only become mainstream a few month back.

 

[JackSomething]

And your extended analysis comes from what?

Anecdotally I’m speaking to me many people who have been impacted and it’s just the start.

Do you honestly think there won’t be any issues as a result of this? Tailgating is bad at 30mph imagine what it’ll be like if people are driving 16-18mph.

It’s a recipe for disaster. It’s not exactly visionary to see potential for serious problems with journey times extended and all sorts of other unintended consequences.

And I haven’t even talked about the environment. 2000 revs in most modern cars will get you to around 20mph in second gear. That is far more polluting, than moving through gears to higher gears and more free flowing traffic.

Come on don’t just wiggle your tongue come back at me with your evidence

Gives an anecdote and makes predictions on the negative effects without a shred of evidence, then demands evidence from others. Welcome back Rockin, it's like you never went away! :lol:

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Gives an anecdote and makes predictions on the negative effects without a shred of evidence, then demands evidence from others. Welcome back Rockin, it's like you never went away! :lol:

He’s right about one thing though. His political affiliation is still blindingly obvious. :lol:

 

[rockinj]

Gives an anecdote and makes predictions on the negative effects without a shred of evidence, then demands evidence from others. Welcome back Rockin, it's like you never went away! :lol:

I’m not saying I have categoric proof, how can I? My point is NJ suggests absolutely no change like it’s a fact.

In my post I literally say that it’s difficult to measure my concerns.

Hypothetically a driver drives 16mph a n0bhead tailgater gets hacked off overtakes then something bad happens. Will that be attributable to 20mph? No of course not.

My point is that’s very difficult to measure but any old donut can say it’s safer to drive at 20mph than 30mph in terms of collisions like it is for 40mph instead of 50mph

If you drive you should understand these things. I despise some of the terrible driving that takes place but could absolutely exacerbate it that issue. As much as some of the diehards on here would like to twist reality it’s a big horrible world out there with people who don’t just toe the party line.

If you don’t drive or drive to pick up your groceries then I’m sorry you’re never going to get it

 

[rockinj]

He’s right about one thing though. His political affiliation is still blindingly obvious. :lol:

Yes I’m sure this divides along party lines. Sheesh you’ll never change.

Is being pro business Tory still? Just checking?

Pro EU, liberal, business friendly and pro Parliamentary reform. Yeah die hard Tory

 

[JackSomething]

I’m not saying I have categoric proof, how can I? My point is NJ suggests absolutely no change like it’s a fact.

In my post I literally say that it’s difficult to measure my concerns.

Hypothetically a driver drives 16mph a n0bhead tailgater gets hacked off overtakes then something bad happens. Will that be attributable to 20mph? No of course not.

My point is that’s very difficult to measure but any old donut can say it’s safer to drive at 20mph than 30mph in terms of collisions like it is for 40mph instead of 50mph

If you drive you should understand these things. I despise some of the terrible driving that takes place but could absolutely exacerbate it that issue. As much as some of the diehards on here would like to twist reality it’s a big horrible world out there with people who don’t just toe the party line.

If you don’t drive or drive to pick up your groceries then I’m sorry you’re never going to get it

Fair enough to the first part of your post.

I am a driver and have already seen people overtaking dangerously because they can't stand to be behind someone driving to the speed limit. I would say that we should blame those drivers for being unable to obey the rules of the road rather than excuse them because 20mph is too slow. I would suggest the roads will be a safer place if some of those idiots lose their licences.

Does 20mph feel slow on roads we're used to doing 30 on? Yes of course it does, but people have to get used to it. I'm not convinced the change is a good one overall and I certainly don't think it's been rolled out well, but it doesn't look like it's going anywhere and it's far too early to say it's a disaster just because some doughnuts are spitting out their dummies over it. The one thing that evidence does support is that serious injury and death occur far more often when you hit a pedestrian at 30mph than if you hit them at 20mph.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Yes I’m sure this divides along party lines. Sheesh you’ll never change.

Is being pro business Tory still? Just checking?

Pro EU, liberal, business friendly and pro Parliamentary reform. Yeah die hard Tory

Did you miss my post up thread where I specifically said that opinion on this isn’t splitting on party affiliations? You never change. Tory to aT.