Labour

[Darran]

Let’s be honest here people have been moaning that Starmer isn’t strong enough to make decisions so he tells all his MP’s not to join a picket line because members of the public with their kids on school holidays are seething at trains being cancelled.
Someone does and he does exactly what people say he isn’t strong enough to do.
Funny as f*ck.

He should NEVER have told his MP's not to join it. That is the point here.

I am not disagreeing with that comment my learned friend.

 

[Darran]

Answer the question.

He has by omission. The strident left have always preferred Tory governments so they can wail and gnash their teeth from the sidelines like Wolfie Smith while never actually having to do anything about it. Labour’s post war history is littered with these tinpot student types.

Beautifully put.

 

[Neath_Jack]

Would you rather an STD or piles? :lol:

I don’t see that argument at all. I’m not pretending Starmer or Labour are prefect by any means but they can’t just appeal narrowly to the likes of Ebo and what he claims to be the left and expect to win an election. They tried that with Corbyn and lost. Twice. They have to build a coalition of voters and win seats across the country and that means being able to attract and keep some Tory voters as well. The only Labour leader in my lifetime able to do that was Blair and, Iraq aside, his government did some great things for what Ebo condescendingly refers to as “the workers”.

Obviously a labour government is better than a Tory one every day of the week. But Starmer is definitely not the answer here.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

I don’t see that argument at all. I’m not pretending Starmer or Labour are prefect by any means but they can’t just appeal narrowly to the likes of Ebo and what he claims to be the left and expect to win an election. They tried that with Corbyn and lost. Twice. They have to build a coalition of voters and win seats across the country and that means being able to attract and keep some Tory voters as well. The only Labour leader in my lifetime able to do that was Blair and, Iraq aside, his government did some great things for what Ebo condescendingly refers to as “the workers”.

Obviously a labour government is better than a Tory one every day of the week. But Starmer is definitely not the answer here.

At least you answered the question :lol:

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Oh and the suggestion that there’s “not much difference” between Starmer’s Labour and the current manifestation of the Tory party is politically illiterate and downright stupid.

 

[Niigata Jack]

Oh and the suggestion that there’s “not much difference” between Starmer’s Labour and the current manifestation of the Tory party is politically illiterate and downright stupid.

Lets be honest here, today's Labour are far far to close to the Tories these days, that much is clear.

Wouldn't trust either to run a bath let alone run a Government.

 

[K23]

Oh and the suggestion that there’s “not much difference” between Starmer’s Labour and the current manifestation of the Tory party is politically illiterate and downright stupid.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Oh and the suggestion that there’s “not much difference” between Starmer’s Labour and the current manifestation of the Tory party is politically illiterate and downright stupid.

Lets be honest here, today's Labour are far far to close to the Tories these days, that much is clear.

Wouldn't trust either to run a bath let alone run a Government.

In what ways are they far far too close to the Tories?

 

[J_B]

Here’s a simple question would you prefer a Labour government with Starmer or the continuation of Tory government with either Sunak or Truss?

Well any hope of a Labour win at the next GE has just taken a massive dip after his decision today

Not so sure about that. The part of the electorate that Labour has to win over may well be happy with the decision.

 

[Ebo]

I did. I said there wouldn’t be much difference. He’s got no policies or vision. He’s beyond f*****g hopeless. He makes Drakeford look like a rockstar.

As for your hard left comment, that’s laughable. Corbyn was centre left.

We need socialist policies to save us. Why do you think support for Indy is growing? People have had enough of voting for traditional left parties and getting the far right in power.

I don’t think I mentioned hard left did I? But if I did and that’s laughable your notion that Corbyn is centre left is frankly astonishing. You just keep showing your ignorance of Labour movement history. Student Union politics. Labour is better off without you.

At least Corbyn had a costed manifesto. Starmer has gone back on every pledge he came out with in his bid to be leader. Not to be trusted. His funding is from a very dodgy source as well.

As for far left - that sounds like a comment off planet fash. There is no far left in labour, not even under Corbyn.

Your boy just fucked up big time. Social media posts are seething about it from Labour members. Karma is a bitch eh!

 

[Ebo]

He should NEVER have told his MP's not to join it. That is the point here.

I am not disagreeing with that comment my learned friend.

Supposed to be the party of the working classes and the supporters of workers rights. Sacks someone for doing that same thing. The cunt is a tory.

 

[JackSomething]

Oh and the suggestion that there’s “not much difference” between Starmer’s Labour and the current manifestation of the Tory party is politically illiterate and downright stupid.

Labour have sacked a shadow minister for joining the picket line (although they're claiming a different reason no-one's buying it).

Meanwhile, didn't both the Tory leadership candidates say in their debate that they'd make it illegal for strikes like this to happen again?

I firmly believe this was the wrong decision by Starmer and the Labour party, but there's a world of difference there between the parties.

 

[Darran]

I don’t think I mentioned hard left did I? But if I did and that’s laughable your notion that Corbyn is centre left is frankly astonishing. You just keep showing your ignorance of Labour movement history. Student Union politics. Labour is better off without you.

Social media posts are seething about it from Labour members. Karma is a bitch eh!

Yes I’ve noticed the likes of Burgon and McDonnell having a go at Starmer.

 

[Neath_Jack]

Obviously a labour government is better than a Tory one every day of the week. But Starmer is definitely not the answer here.

At least you answered the question :lol:

You a moderator on here now?

 

[exiledclaseboy]

At least you answered the question :lol:

You a moderator on here now?

Only temporarily while Phil’s on his holidays.