Labour

[Niigata Jack]

Lets be honest here, today's Labour are far far to close to the Tories these days, that much is clear.

Wouldn't trust either to run a bath let alone run a Government.

In what ways are they far far too close to the Tories?

Well, today is a classic example he should have supported Sam Tarry's right to do what he did, being the "Labour Leader" he'd want to support the unions seeing as they are Labours biggest supporters, you could understand a Tory leader doing what Starmer did today, but a Labour leader?

 

[Darran]

You a moderator on here now?

Only temporarily while Phil’s on his holidays.

If Phils got any sense it’ll be permanent.

 

[Ebo]

LOL

https://twitter.com/docrussjackson/status/1552339224015380486?s=20&t=nmgoQv4AjxAVMJndCBEcEA

 

[Niigata Jack]

At least you answered the question :lol:

You a moderator on here now?

He's the New Sheriff in Town, you can hear his Spurs clunking as he ambles by :lol:

 

[Itchysphincter]

I don’t see that argument at all. I’m not pretending Starmer or Labour are prefect by any means but they can’t just appeal narrowly to the likes of Ebo and what he claims to be the left and expect to win an election. They tried that with Corbyn and lost. Twice. They have to build a coalition of voters and win seats across the country and that means being able to attract and keep some Tory voters as well. The only Labour leader in my lifetime able to do that was Blair and, Iraq aside, his government did some great things for what Ebo condescendingly refers to as “the workers”.

Well said,oh and piles would be easier to explain to Mrs ECB than a STD.

Not if he got them from being rogered up the @rse by his boyfriend.

 

[Itchysphincter]

Anyway, I just heard Phil’s on holibobs, Friday night should be fun!

 

[AceJack]

Ebo, you must live an lovely, privileged life if you see no difference between a potential Labour Government and the current Tory one.

He’s on the way to driving the Tory’s back into power with this stupid act. But karmas a bitch eh!

Read the Forde report. It’ll make you sick.

My favourite bit of the Forde report was the section that said staffers did not set out to deliberately lose Labour the 2017 election, contrary to what hard left twitter nutters have been screaming. Let me know when you get to that bit.

 

[AceJack]

Momentum causing trouble again

f**k all to do with them. The problem with Labour is the backstabbing factions that are still there like the vile Jess Phillips who was laughing in election defeat, those who diverted funds from red seats in the last election.

Read the Forde report before commenting. Labour is rotten to the core.

What page of the forde report details how Jess Phillips was secretly laughing at labour losing the 2019 election and not literally anything else at all?

Your spiteful obsession with her is a definite red flag that you’ve got a problem with women

 

[AceJack]

I don’t see that argument at all. I’m not pretending Starmer or Labour are prefect by any means but they can’t just appeal narrowly to the likes of Ebo and what he claims to be the left and expect to win an election. They tried that with Corbyn and lost. Twice. They have to build a coalition of voters and win seats across the country and that means being able to attract and keep some Tory voters as well. The only Labour leader in my lifetime able to do that was Blair and, Iraq aside, his government did some great things for what Ebo condescendingly refers to as “the workers”.

Read the Forde report Andrew. Will tell you volumes why he lost. But I guess it doesn’t suit your narrative does it?

This party will work for their donors not the working man. They’ve lost my vote.

Go on then. Cite the Forde report.

 

[AceJack]

I did. I said there wouldn’t be much difference. He’s got no policies or vision. He’s beyond f*****g hopeless. He makes Drakeford look like a rockstar.

As for your hard left comment, that’s laughable. Corbyn was centre left.

We need socialist policies to save us. Why do you think support for Indy is growing? People have had enough of voting for traditional left parties and getting the far right in power.

I don’t think I mentioned hard left did I? But if I did and that’s laughable your notion that Corbyn is centre left is frankly astonishing. You just keep showing your ignorance of Labour movement history. Student Union politics. Labour is better off without you.

We are better off without him. Terminally online twitter lefties think they are the most important, most moral, most influential people in this country. We did it their way for nearly 5 years and what did we get for it? Two general election losses, a toxic party culture, and a leader who looked the other way when his mates were palling up with Holocaust deniers.

Their achievements amount to a mound of f**k all because of their zealous, uncompromising quest for purity. The fact he thinks Andy burnham, a man so sh*t he made Corbyn look good in 2015, a man who rejected an inquiry into Stafford Hospital, is the answer just shows how juvenile his outlook is.

 

[AceJack]

I don’t think I mentioned hard left did I? But if I did and that’s laughable your notion that Corbyn is centre left is frankly astonishing. You just keep showing your ignorance of Labour movement history. Student Union politics. Labour is better off without you.

At least Corbyn had a costed manifesto. Starmer has gone back on every pledge he came out with in his bid to be leader. Not to be trusted. His funding is from a very dodgy source as well.

As for far left - that sounds like a comment off planet fash. There is no far left in labour, not even under Corbyn.

Your boy just fucked up big time. Social media posts are seething about it from Labour members. Karma is a bitch eh!

Costed manifesto

Was our £58 billion WASPI pledge costed then?
https://www.pensionsage.com/pa/Labour-compensation-package-for-WASPI-campaign-to-cost-58bn.php

 

[Niigata Jack]

Two cracking posts from the SI site.

Modern Labour all over: Delighted to abase themselves crawling about on their knees in obeisance to a dead, foreign career criminal but when it comes to defending British workers they go awol.

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Man with at least some principles sacked by man without any.
Starmer is a soft Tory, the sooner he's gone the better.

 

[AceJack]

Two cracking posts from the SI site.

Modern Labour all over: Delighted to abase themselves crawling about on their knees in obeisance to a dead, foreign career criminal but when it comes to defending British workers they go awol.

..............................

Man with at least some principles sacked by man without any.
Starmer is a soft Tory, the sooner he's gone the better.

If Sam Tarry was a man of principle why was he nowhere to be seen on the picket lines last month during the previous wave of RMT strikes?

He’s facing a full reselection process after being triggered by his CLP for being a largely useless and anonymous MP. His sacking will no doubt give him a convenient boost in his quest to be reselected.

 

[monmouth]

Almost everyone I've seen spouting about the Forde report elsewhere clearly hasn't read it. I have, admittedly on a skim. The behaviour from both sides left a lot to be desired and the selective usual twitter shite trying to make tribal points is laughably pathetic.

Corbyn was a useless stupid disaster, and if Starmer turns out similar the whole country is finished. I have serious reservations about Starmer that are getting worse. He seems scared of his own shadow, paralysed by caution. But...I voted for Labour despite Corbyn. Now it's time his fanboys got behind Starmer, because the choice is Starmer or more Tory. Nothing else. Just that. If you're anti Starmer and undermining him all the time, you are supporting Tory re-election. Pick a side.

When Labour get elected all you Corbyn shaggers can tear into him to your heart's content. Then is the time for the policy argument. Never is the time for all this pathetic pining for a proven failure like Corbyn, who delivered, needing nobody else's help, the worst election outcome for Labour in eons. Anyone who thinks that was the fault of Labour staffers or people like Jess Phillips is seriously deranged.

 

[Neath_Jack]

Almost everyone I've seen spouting about the Forde report elsewhere clearly hasn't read it. I have, admittedly on a skim. The behaviour from both sides left a lot to be desired and the selective usual twitter shite trying to make tribal points is laughably pathetic.

Corbyn was a useless stupid disaster, and if Starmer turns out similar the whole country is finished. I have serious reservations about Starmer that are getting worse. He seems scared of his own shadow, paralysed by caution. But...I voted for Labour despite Corbyn. Now it's time his fanboys got behind Starmer, because the choice is Starmer or more Tory. Nothing else. Just that. If you're anti Starmer and undermining him all the time, you are supporting Tory re-election. Pick a side.

When Labour get elected all you Corbyn shaggers can tear into him to your heart's content. Then is the time for the policy argument. Never is the time for all this pathetic pining for a proven failure like Corbyn, who delivered, needing nobody else's help, the worst election outcome for Labour in eons. Anyone who thinks that was the fault of Labour staffers or people like Jess Phillips is seriously deranged.

What about those that don't like Corbyn, Starmer or the Tory mob? Are we allowed to slag them all off?

We got labour out in Neath Port Talbot local / council elections, hopefully, one day, we will get them out from being our local MP as well. People said we would never shift them from the council, and if everyone keeps on like you describe, we will never see a change.