Martin holds the exit door open for Obafemi and Paterson

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

I think they are clearly difficult/childish characters but I find it very doubtful that 2 weeks ago Paterson was starting for us and now he's so bad he can't even be on the bench.

I find it very doubtful Martin would randomly drop two of our most proven quality players for no reason?

 

[ARQS]

I find it very doubtful Martin would randomly drop two of our most proven quality players for no reason?

I don't. It's pretty much characterised his time here. If your face doesn't fit, you don't play.

 

[STID2017]

I don't. It's pretty much characterised his time here. If your face doesn't fit, you don't play.

Not sure that is the case ?
Certainly cannot see him dropping say Grimes, Allen, Fulton, Oli, Piroe to accommodate Whittaker ?

 

[ARQS]

Not sure that is the case ?
Certainly cannot see him dropping say Grimes, Allen, Fulton, Oli, Piroe to accommodate Whittaker ?

Whittaker is a totally different player to Grimes, Allen and Fulton though isn't he? Surely he has a place in our squad when we are so short of attacking options.

If we were on the verge of signing a player like Whittaker in January, everyone would be hanging the bunting.

 

[STID2017]

Whittaker is a totally different player to Grimes, Allen and Fulton though isn't he? Surely he has a place in our squad when we are so short of attacking options.

If we were on the verge of signing a player like Whittaker in January, everyone would be hanging the bunting.

According to this quote from Martin in the Walesonline, the manager sees it as I have stated above ?
"He has been playing at Plymouth in what is probably the most competitive position on the pitch for us, with Olivier Ntcham, Luke Cundle, Ollie Cooper, Jay Fulton, Joel Piroe when he plays there. I think it's a really tough position to get in but, if he does come back, he comes back with the mentality that he wants to fight and get in the team and we'll have to take it from there. I don't have a definitive answer for you on that"

 

[STID2017]

He may not mention Allen and Grimes but you can certainly add them into the mix

 

[ARQS]

According to this quote from Martin in the Walesonline, the manager sees it as I have stated above ?
"He has been playing at Plymouth in what is probably the most competitive position on the pitch for us, with Olivier Ntcham, Luke Cundle, Ollie Cooper, Jay Fulton, Joel Piroe when he plays there. I think it's a really tough position to get in but, if he does come back, he comes back with the mentality that he wants to fight and get in the team and we'll have to take it from there. I don't have a definitive answer for you on that"

I read that too but it's absolute rubbish.

Are you seriously telling me you wouldn't want Morgan Whittaker coming off the bench when we need to get a goal? Just a gentle reminder, Sorinola came on for Cooper yesterday so we are hardly blessed in that position.

Also, I would rather develop Whittaker here than develop Luke Cundle for Wolves.

 

[STID2017]

Whittaker will for the most part struggle to get past most of those.
He is unproven at our level.
Plus he doesn't want to come back.
Cundle did okay yesterday but I would rather have one our own - providing he is capable.
Not sure Whittaker is at our level.
No reason to disbelief what Martin said in that interview - any player coming in needs to fight and prove themselves, surely ?

 

[Neath_Jack]

I can see Whittaker falling out with Russ in no time at all.

Being recalled from a team that is flying, with him playing a big part of that, to sometimes getting on the bench, sometimes not even that.

Wouldn't blame him one bit if he downs tools.

 

[STID2017]

I can see Whittaker falling out with Russ in no time at all.

Being recalled from a team that is flying, with him playing a big part of that, to sometimes getting on the bench, sometimes not even that.

Wouldn't blame him one bit if he downs tools.

That is my fear.
I cannot see it benefitting the player or us at this time ?

 

[ARQS]

Whittaker will for the most part struggle to get past most of those.
He is unproven at our level.
Plus he doesn't want to come back.
Cundle did okay yesterday but I would rather have one our own - providing he is capable.
Not sure Whittaker is at our level.
No reason to disbelief what Martin said in that interview - any player coming in needs to fight and prove themselves, surely ?

Of course they need to fight and prove themselves and I'm not saying that Morgan Whittaker is an automatic starter (far from it) but I think to lump him in with those other players when in reality he offers something totally different from pretty much all of them, is a poor point from Martin.

Whittaker did okay for us when he played under Cooper and whilst he didn't look like the finished article, he certainly looked like he had a bit about him. He showed more than Cullen ever did up until a fortnight ago.

If we are now going to bomb out Obafemi, Oko Flex and Paterson (all of whom you could also include in that list by Martin's reckoning), then there is definitely space for Whittaker and IMO he deserves a chance given what he's done out on loan. Unless we are going to sign a couple of players which is doubtful.

 

[STID2017]

Thing is as off now Cullen and Ollie Cooper, plus Piroe and obviously the main midfield four ( Grimes, Joey, Jay and Ntcham) are all way ahead of him in terms of selection.
Plus how many weeks would it take him to get up to speed with the demands of the Championship?
I think Martin is making it clear that if he came back, it would be as a bench warmer as best.
Better happy somewhere else than unhappy down here.
Haven't we experienced enough unhappy players such as Obafemi and Paterson ?

 

[Dr. Winston]

if he does come back, he comes back with the mentality that he wants to fight and get in the team and we'll have to take it from there.

Which is a not exactly thinly veiled insinuation by Martin that he didn't have that mentality before being punted off on loan. Seems that unless you buy into Russyball 100% then you're likely to be accused of not wanting to be a part of the side.

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

I don't. It's pretty much characterised his time here. If your face doesn't fit, you don't play.

Well I don't agree with say him leaving Congreve out for as long as he did for example and I'd have Whittaker in the mix. But I can see arguments and the logic of h

But besides financially implicated decisions has he really shunned any real bona fide starters non deservingly?

 

[K23]

I read that too but it's absolute rubbish.

Are you seriously telling me you wouldn't want Morgan Whittaker coming off the bench when we need to get a goal? Just a gentle reminder, Sorinola came on for Cooper yesterday so we are hardly blessed in that position.

Also, I would rather develop Whittaker here than develop Luke Cundle for Wolves.

Cundle has done ok for us generally without pulling up any trees but I'd have much rather have seen Whittaker coming on yesterday when we were chasing the game. If Whittaker returns, of course he'll be competing with players for a place just like everyone else but I don't see Cundle as being one of those players because, if Whittaker returns, Cundle is the player who becomes expendable and can return to Wolves with thanks. As for Whittaker or Sorinola, dear me, that's a no brainer.