Mr Martin speaketh

[bakajack]

This myth....I sometimes wonder if peole actually watched games or just relied on the views of certain posters. I am not saying there werent games were sometimes the ball pinged back and fore....mostly when Bennet was playing and then Cooper dropped him.#

I have posted highlights several times but for a narrative that says our style was hoofball these few games dont demonsrate that and there are loads more examples...I am sure this squad will not need long to adapt to Martins style of play...especially if he is not under any "pressure" to get us promoted this season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-_GtUAHcHc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgkqtuHkJoI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNQbW2JGgJ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2noQWY3wfYo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq3JqMWvObg
Lots of examples of Possesion passing football with moves starting from the back..yet we only ever played hoofball and sat back never taking the game to to the opposition.

I said majority but ok I'll elaborate
When we held a 1-0 lead or felt the opposition was stronger than us, our midfield was always bypassed to shore up at the back
We had less possession than our opponents in 27 matches last season, sometimes going as low as mid 30s poessession wise

Im not saying Cooper wasnt tactically astute, but he never played the way we wanted and we very rarely dominated games possession wise, to dominate possession is to win the midfield battle which we never did as we always lobbed it up to Ayew to hold up or passed it to the wing backs to cross constantly

This. To say that we were a freeflowing passing possession based side last season would be stretching the truth at best.

For all the years where we have taken the mickey out of Cardiff and Stoke there were many games last season where our style of play was just as bad. The only exception was not having the players to compliment that playing "style"

 

[Vetchonian]

This myth....I sometimes wonder if peole actually watched games or just relied on the views of certain posters. I am not saying there werent games were sometimes the ball pinged back and fore....mostly when Bennet was playing and then Cooper dropped him.#

I have posted highlights several times but for a narrative that says our style was hoofball these few games dont demonsrate that and there are loads more examples...I am sure this squad will not need long to adapt to Martins style of play...especially if he is not under any "pressure" to get us promoted this season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-_GtUAHcHc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgkqtuHkJoI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNQbW2JGgJ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2noQWY3wfYo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq3JqMWvObg
Lots of examples of Possesion passing football with moves starting from the back..yet we only ever played hoofball and sat back never taking the game to to the opposition.

I said majority but ok I'll elaborate
When we held a 1-0 lead or felt the opposition was stronger than us, our midfield was always bypassed to shore up at the back
We had less possession than our opponents in 27 matches last season, sometimes going as low as mid 30s poessession wise

Im not saying Cooper wasnt tactically astute, but he never played the way we wanted and we very rarely dominated games possession wise, to dominate possession is to win the midfield battle which we never did as we always lobbed it up to Ayew to hold up or passed it to the wing backs to cross constantly

Maybe we didnt have the strength in midfield to do so...but what is possesion without results? Potters Brighton has lots of possesion but where did they finish?
Football is about results..I still say Cooper was given a remit to get us back up...given it took Thomas Frank 2 seasons to get to the playoffs and then 3 seasons to get promoted with several years more experience than Cooper he did ok to get us to the play offs twice and improving our league position and when you look at the football it wasnt all defensive...yes we may not have had high possesion stats but we got results and finished 4th in the table...where did those with more possesion end up?


Any way he is now history we have a new man at the helm ..I just get wound up when people talk about the defensive hoofball when it wasnt the case!

Martin should have no excuse to get a tune oout of this squad as they have shown they canplay as he wants

 

[Vetchonian]

This myth....I sometimes wonder if peole actually watched games or just relied on the views of certain posters. I am not saying there werent games were sometimes the ball pinged back and fore....mostly when Bennet was playing and then Cooper dropped him.#

I have posted highlights several times but for a narrative that says our style was hoofball these few games dont demonsrate that and there are loads more examples...I am sure this squad will not need long to adapt to Martins style of play...especially if he is not under any "pressure" to get us promoted this season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-_GtUAHcHc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgkqtuHkJoI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNQbW2JGgJ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2noQWY3wfYo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq3JqMWvObg
Lots of examples of Possesion passing football with moves starting from the back..yet we only ever played hoofball and sat back never taking the game to to the opposition.

I said majority but ok I'll elaborate
When we held a 1-0 lead or felt the opposition was stronger than us, our midfield was always bypassed to shore up at the back
We had less possession than our opponents in 27 matches last season, sometimes going as low as mid 30s poessession wise

Im not saying Cooper wasnt tactically astute, but he never played the way we wanted and we very rarely dominated games possession wise, to dominate possession is to win the midfield battle which we never did as we always lobbed it up to Ayew to hold up or passed it to the wing backs to cross constantly

Maybe we didnt have the strength in midfield to do so...but what is possesion without results? Potters Brighton has lots of possesion but where did they finish?
Football is about results..I still say Cooper was given a remit to get us back up...given it took Thomas Frank 2 seasons to get to the playoffs and then 3 seasons to get promoted with several years more experience than Cooper he did ok to get us to the play offs twice and improving our league position and when you look at the football it wasnt all defensive...yes we may not have had high possesion stats but we got results and finished 4th in the table...where did those with more possesion end up?


Any way he is now history we have a new man at the helm ..I just get wound up when people talk about the defensive hoofball when it wasnt the case!

Martin should have no excuse to get a tune oout of this squad as they have shown they canplay as he wants

 

[JackBaston]

I said majority but ok I'll elaborate
When we held a 1-0 lead or felt the opposition was stronger than us, our midfield was always bypassed to shore up at the back
We had less possession than our opponents in 27 matches last season, sometimes going as low as mid 30s poessession wise

Im not saying Cooper wasnt tactically astute, but he never played the way we wanted and we very rarely dominated games possession wise, to dominate possession is to win the midfield battle which we never did as we always lobbed it up to Ayew to hold up or passed it to the wing backs to cross constantly

Maybe we didnt have the strength in midfield to do so...but what is possesion without results? Potters Brighton has lots of possesion but where did they finish?
Football is about results..I still say Cooper was given a remit to get us back up...given it took Thomas Frank 2 seasons to get to the playoffs and then 3 seasons to get promoted with several years more experience than Cooper he did ok to get us to the play offs twice and improving our league position and when you look at the football it wasnt all defensive...yes we may not have had high possesion stats but we got results and finished 4th in the table...where did those with more possesion end up?


Any way he is now history we have a new man at the helm ..I just get wound up when people talk about the defensive hoofball when it wasnt the case!

Martin should have no excuse to get a tune oout of this squad as they have shown they canplay as he wants

Cooper did a good job Im not going to argue that

With regards to Potter, he kept Brighton in the prem playing good football, thats enough isnt it?

 

[Vetchonian]

I said majority but ok I'll elaborate
When we held a 1-0 lead or felt the opposition was stronger than us, our midfield was always bypassed to shore up at the back
We had less possession than our opponents in 27 matches last season, sometimes going as low as mid 30s poessession wise

Im not saying Cooper wasnt tactically astute, but he never played the way we wanted and we very rarely dominated games possession wise, to dominate possession is to win the midfield battle which we never did as we always lobbed it up to Ayew to hold up or passed it to the wing backs to cross constantly

This. To say that we were a freeflowing passing possession based side last season would be stretching the truth at best.

For all the years where we have taken the mickey out of Cardiff and Stoke there were many games last season where our style of play was just as bad. The only exception was not having the players to compliment that playing "style"

We have not been a freeflowing passing possesion based side since Laudraup...we werent even that under Potter but many seem to think we were...he did eventually get us playing some of that but mostly second half od the season the "excitment" came from Dan James chasing balls in the channels.

I didnt say we were a freeflowing passing possession based side last season , I was just trying to illustrate we werent a Cardiif city or Stoke either! despite many trying to make out we were. Those hightlights I posted show us moving the ball on the floor and attacking ...we actually had poor finishing stats..There arent many teams playing that football In the Championship...and as I say though we had less posseion we still finished 4th. Its about results to the owners us fans come second in wanting to be enteratained

 

[Risc]

I said majority but ok I'll elaborate
When we held a 1-0 lead or felt the opposition was stronger than us, our midfield was always bypassed to shore up at the back
We had less possession than our opponents in 27 matches last season, sometimes going as low as mid 30s poessession wise

Im not saying Cooper wasnt tactically astute, but he never played the way we wanted and we very rarely dominated games possession wise, to dominate possession is to win the midfield battle which we never did as we always lobbed it up to Ayew to hold up or passed it to the wing backs to cross constantly

Maybe we didnt have the strength in midfield to do so...but what is possesion without results? Potters Brighton has lots of possesion but where did they finish?
Football is about results..I still say Cooper was given a remit to get us back up...given it took Thomas Frank 2 seasons to get to the playoffs and then 3 seasons to get promoted with several years more experience than Cooper he did ok to get us to the play offs twice and improving our league position and when you look at the football it wasnt all defensive...yes we may not have had high possesion stats but we got results and finished 4th in the table...where did those with more possesion end up?


Any way he is now history we have a new man at the helm ..I just get wound up when people talk about the defensive hoofball when it wasnt the case!

Martin should have no excuse to get a tune oout of this squad as they have shown they canplay as he wants

I accidentally liked that post.

No excuses? As things stand he absolutely has excuses and it’s ridiculous to say otherwise.

We have heard the experts talking when it comes to potter and Cooper, one has a job in the premier league and being in the discussion when talking about Everton and Spurs, the others in the discussion regarding MK Dons.

 

[bakajack]

This. To say that we were a freeflowing passing possession based side last season would be stretching the truth at best.

For all the years where we have taken the mickey out of Cardiff and Stoke there were many games last season where our style of play was just as bad. The only exception was not having the players to compliment that playing "style"

We have not been a freeflowing passing possesion based side since Laudraup...we werent even that under Potter but many seem to think we were...he did eventually get us playing some of that but mostly second half od the season the "excitment" came from Dan James chasing balls in the channels.

I didnt say we were a freeflowing passing possession based side last season , I was just trying to illustrate we werent a Cardiif city or Stoke either! despite many trying to make out we were. Those hightlights I posted show us moving the ball on the floor and attacking ...we actually had poor finishing stats..There arent many teams playing that football In the Championship...and as I say though we had less posseion we still finished 4th. Its about results to the owners us fans come second in wanting to be enteratained

The highlights you posted most certainly were not a fair representation of our season, also to say that we had poor finishing stats is also not accurate. We were actually near the top for expected goals vs goals scored and near the bottom for expected goals vs goals conceded. Our expected league position was 11th based on those figures.

Source: https://www.infogol.net/en/leagues/english-football-league-championship-table-2020-21/264

In short, we scored more than we were expected to and conceded far less than we were expected to.

 

[bakajack]

This. To say that we were a freeflowing passing possession based side last season would be stretching the truth at best.

For all the years where we have taken the mickey out of Cardiff and Stoke there were many games last season where our style of play was just as bad. The only exception was not having the players to compliment that playing "style"

We have not been a freeflowing passing possesion based side since Laudraup...we werent even that under Potter but many seem to think we were...he did eventually get us playing some of that but mostly second half od the season the "excitment" came from Dan James chasing balls in the channels.

I didnt say we were a freeflowing passing possession based side last season , I was just trying to illustrate we werent a Cardiif city or Stoke either! despite many trying to make out we were. Those hightlights I posted show us moving the ball on the floor and attacking ...we actually had poor finishing stats..There arent many teams playing that football In the Championship...and as I say though we had less posseion we still finished 4th. Its about results to the owners us fans come second in wanting to be enteratained

The highlights you posted most certainly were not a fair representation of our season, also to say that we had poor finishing stats is also not accurate. We were actually near the top for expected goals vs goals scored and near the bottom for expected goals vs goals conceded. Our expected league position was 11th based on those figures.

Source: https://www.infogol.net/en/leagues/english-football-league-championship-table-2020-21/264

In short, we scored more than we were expected to and conceded far less than we were expected to.

 

[JackSomething]

Maybe we didnt have the strength in midfield to do so...but what is possesion without results? Potters Brighton has lots of possesion but where did they finish?
Football is about results..I still say Cooper was given a remit to get us back up...given it took Thomas Frank 2 seasons to get to the playoffs and then 3 seasons to get promoted with several years more experience than Cooper he did ok to get us to the play offs twice and improving our league position and when you look at the football it wasnt all defensive...yes we may not have had high possesion stats but we got results and finished 4th in the table...where did those with more possesion end up?


Any way he is now history we have a new man at the helm ..I just get wound up when people talk about the defensive hoofball when it wasnt the case!

Martin should have no excuse to get a tune oout of this squad as they have shown they canplay as he wants

I accidentally liked that post.

No excuses? As things stand he absolutely has excuses and it’s ridiculous to say otherwise.

We have heard the experts talking when it comes to potter and Cooper, one has a job in the premier league and being in the discussion when talking about Everton and Spurs, the others in the discussion regarding MK Dons.

Brighton were widely acknowledged to have had a good season last year, but lacked a player who could consistently score goals. Be interesting to see if they sign somebody now they have the money for Ben White. There is no comparison between Cooper and Potter where Cooper doesn't come off looking as significantly inferior.

Love the no excuses argument when we have lost 3 players in the spine of the team who were amongst our most important players last season and may be about to lose another in Grimes. It ignores the reality that we'd have got nowhere near as high in the table last season under Cooper without those players.

Some posters are approaching a level of irrationality about Cooper that Spratty reached about Laudrup when he left (if you were around the old PS site in those days).

 

[JackSomething]

We have not been a freeflowing passing possesion based side since Laudraup...we werent even that under Potter but many seem to think we were...he did eventually get us playing some of that but mostly second half od the season the "excitment" came from Dan James chasing balls in the channels.

I didnt say we were a freeflowing passing possession based side last season , I was just trying to illustrate we werent a Cardiif city or Stoke either! despite many trying to make out we were. Those hightlights I posted show us moving the ball on the floor and attacking ...we actually had poor finishing stats..There arent many teams playing that football In the Championship...and as I say though we had less posseion we still finished 4th. Its about results to the owners us fans come second in wanting to be enteratained

The highlights you posted most certainly were not a fair representation of our season, also to say that we had poor finishing stats is also not accurate. We were actually near the top for expected goals vs goals scored and near the bottom for expected goals vs goals conceded. Our expected league position was 11th based on those figures.

Source: https://www.infogol.net/en/leagues/english-football-league-championship-table-2020-21/264

In short, we scored more than we were expected to and conceded far less than we were expected to.

Well said. I've seen plenty of bookies tipping us as an outside chance of being relegated this season (and a great choice for bottom half finish), partly because of the players who have left, but also because our goals scored versus expected goals was so abnormally high. It's incredibly unlikely that will happen again.

 

[monmouth]

Vetchonian is deluded and posts the same couple of clips over and over. A few minutes. Then he or she ignores the other 4000 minutes where we hoofed the holy bejesus out of it.

 

[Dr. Winston]

As per usual, the people claiming that Cooperball was so direct and tedious to watch because that's the best he could do with the players he had available are forgetting that the reason why we had so few creative ball players is because he bombed most of them out.

 

[bakajack]

As per usual, the people claiming that Cooperball was so direct and tedious to watch because that's the best he could do with the players he had available are forgetting that the reason why we had so few creative ball players is because he bombed most of them out.

Absolutely correct.

Celina had a strong first season with Potter, for reasons unknown Cooper simply didn't like him and when he was played he was clearly short on confidence and/or unwilling to take chances and create.

VDH likewise, went from 1st place in chances created for a defender to near last in the space of a single season.

Jordan Garrick under Potter even with cameos was creating something (either winning a penalty or creating a chance or two) every game. Under Cooper who seemed to hate wingers he never got to play in his best position.

 

[Vetchonian]

Vetchonian is deluded and posts the same couple of clips over and over. A few minutes. Then he or she ignores the other 4000 minutes where we hoofed the holy bejesus out of it.

not as deluded as those who claim Cooper only ever set up to defend and look for Ayew to work magic.
the highlight I have posted show that not to be true and abd there are loads of similar examples.
I did witness times where the ball plunged around kn the air but I challenge you to push examples of the 4000 minutes we played hoofvall

 

[Vetchonian]

As per usual, the people claiming that Cooperball was so direct and tedious to watch because that's the best he could do with the players he had available are forgetting that the reason why we had so few creative ball players is because he bombed most of them out.

strange I haven't mentioned that just posted examples of football that was not direct and tedious....


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