I thought I was dreaming the 20mph limit

[jack123]

In Wales in 2022 - Killed or seriously injured:

30mph roads - 421
70 mph roads - 58

But what does that actually prove? Seems to be a lot of talk about a 30mph being dangerous, yet anyone with half a brain knows that's bullshit.

They have no data to present this as a good idea, it's very simple show the public the actual speed these fatalities occurred in the 30 zone, also show other data such as were drink or drugs involved, nah the tosspots just say these accidents occurred in a 30 zone, and that's it.. Sorry but you must be pretty dim, to swallow that rubbish hook, line and sinker.

 

[Neath_Jack]

But what does that actually prove? Seems to be a lot of talk about a 30mph being dangerous, yet anyone with half a brain knows that's bullshit.

They have no data to present this as a good idea, it's very simple show the public the actual speed these fatalities occurred in the 30 zone, also show other data such as were drink or drugs involved, nah the tosspots just say these accidents occurred in a 30 zone, and that's it.. Sorry but you must be pretty dim, to swallow that rubbish hook, line and sinker.

It proved that your butty was incorrect.

As has been pointed out to you numerous times, you don't like facts or evidence when it doesn't align to your beliefs. You do however like anecdotal evidence when it does support your beliefs. Can you see the problem with that? And you calling anyone dim is absolutely hilarious in fairness.

 

[jack123]

It proved that your butty was incorrect.

As has been pointed out to you numerous times, you don't like facts or evidence when it doesn't align to your beliefs. You do however like anecdotal evidence when it does support your beliefs. Can you see the problem with that? And you calling anyone dim is absolutely hilarious in fairness.

Listen you driving Miss daisy drugford loving drone, you put some vague stats up , which IMO show nothing. All they show is the serious accidents or fatalities, all they show is that these accidents occurred in the 30 zone, nothing else, no other info, funny that.

 

[Neath_Jack]

Listen you driving Miss daisy drugford loving drone, you put some vague stats up , which IMO show nothing. All they show is the serious accidents or fatalities, all they show is that these accidents occurred in the 30 zone, nothing else, no other info, funny that.

That's not very nice now is it? You're getting angrier and angrier with each post so I'll leave you to it.

 

[jack123]

That's not very nice now is it? You're getting angrier and angrier with each post so I'll leave you to it.

Not really angry. I would say slightly irritated.

 

[rockinj]

That’s the problem here NJ you’re right in terms of where they took place but as jack123 says how can you attribute this to 30mph zones. The chances are there will be a multitude of reasons:

- old people who shouldn’t be on road
- pedestrians being idiots
- drunk driving
- drug driving
- boy racers
- general speeding ie 50mph etc
- general appalling driving


Etc etc etc

You’re right in numbers, I hold my hands up but you’re not recognising that there are multiple factors in any data set.

If you drive you should be able to recognise this stuff. Or will you just continue to blow smoke up drakefords bum?

 

[Jack2jack]

Listen you driving Miss daisy drugford loving drone, you put some vague stats up , which IMO show nothing. All they show is the serious accidents or fatalities, all they show is that these accidents occurred in the 30 zone, nothing else, no other info, funny that.

I'm a bit bored, so I'll chip in, I read that rockinj asked why not reduce the speeds on motorways to 50mph. I'm not putting words in NJs mouth, however I believe he was demonstrating that motorways are generally safer to travel on than roads in urban/ built up areas, given the number of journeys in each direction. It is a fact that motorways are generally safer BTW. We will only be able to measure the true success of the new speed restrictions, after year one.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Not really angry. I would say slightly irritated.

And drunk.

 

[rockinj]

I'm a bit bored, so I'll chip in, I read that rockinj asked why not reduce the speeds on motorways to 50mph. I'm not putting words in NJs mouth, however I believe he was demonstrating that motorways are generally safer to travel on than roads in urban/ built up areas, given the number of journeys in each direction. It is a fact that motorways are generally safer BTW. We will only be able to measure the true success of the new speed restrictions, after year one.

That’s a very balanced response. Probably needed, I’ve annoyingly been sucked into emotional responses. My first post was meant to be more fundamental but as ever on here it’s turned into handbags at dawn

 

[Neath_Jack]

That’s the problem here NJ you’re right in terms of where they took place but as jack123 says how can you attribute this to 30mph zones. The chances are there will be a multitude of reasons:

- old people who shouldn’t be on road
- pedestrians being idiots
- drunk driving
- drug driving
- boy racers
- general speeding ie 50mph etc
- general appalling driving


Etc etc etc

You’re right in numbers, I hold my hands up but you’re not recognising that there are multiple factors in any data set.

If you drive you should be able to recognise this stuff. Or will you just continue to blow smoke up drakefords bum?

You didn't ask for contributory factors wuss, and you know you didnt.

Just remember this one thing, in a battle between metal and flesh there will only be one loser. Now, as was pointed out to you earlier when you were being equally as silly, you very rarely get metal v flesh on the motorway (other than motorcyclists). You're offering up a very poor bed fellow by using what Mr123 posts as back up to you.

 

[jack123]

I'm a bit bored, so I'll chip in, I read that rockinj asked why not reduce the speeds on motorways to 50mph. I'm not putting words in NJs mouth, however I believe he was demonstrating that motorways are generally safer to travel on than roads in urban/ built up areas, given the number of journeys in each direction. It is a fact that motorways are generally safer BTW. We will only be able to measure the true success of the new speed restrictions, after year one.

Yes, lazy reading on my part. I apologise to NJ for that, I thought he walking about something else.

 

[jed]

I'm fully behind a 20mph limit in areas that need it but in my mind it would have been the councils responsibility to have this in place without any intervention from WG.

At the same time I have to wonder what the real benefit will be for anyone with the newly enforced limits. Looking at the data there would seem to be about a 10:1 ratio of all types of incident when comparing 30mph to 20mph areas but if I'm understanding correctly the amount of 20mph road is moving from 2.5% to 35% or a 14x increase in 20mph road.

I know this isn't an exact science but by that reckoning I would think at the very best a proportion of the incidents will move to the 20mph areas and I'm not really seeing much of a benefit from it all. This might suggest that the councils might have got it right in the first place.

What am I missing?

 

[Jack2jack]

That’s a very balanced response. Probably needed, I’ve annoyingly been sucked into emotional responses. My first post was meant to be more fundamental but as ever on here it’s turned into handbags at dawn

Thanks, just trying to give a balanced opinion. As an aside I'm not a massive fan of this scheme, however, we are where we are, and I believe it is incumbent on all road users to make this work, and if it turns out to be a failure, then 'we' can say I told you so.

 

[jack123]

And drunk.

I am not tonight unfortunately.. 4 cans and cups of teas, normally would be a shop run for more, but I just cba today, weather horrific, winters coming..

 

[rockinj]

You didn't ask for contributory factors wuss, and you know you didnt.

Just remember this one thing, in a battle between metal and flesh there will only be one loser. Now, as was pointed out to you earlier when you were being equally as silly, you very rarely get metal v flesh on the motorway (other than motorcyclists). You're offering up a very poor bed fellow by using what Mr123 posts as back up to you.

Oh crikey what a chap you are. I literally have held my hands up.

It’s a cesspit on here, I always forget this and come back. Why? Waste of time, I’ve got far better things to be doing.

Just cliquey beyond words, I don’t happen to give a crap about “bedfellows” darling. I just say it as I see it and I’ll hold my hands up if I’m wrong. Your comment shows your tribal ways, which is something I’ve always highlighted. If this was a Tory policy I guarantee you’d be against it. That’s who you are a tribal numpty without any critical thinking.

I haven’t posted for ages but I’ve read threads and the same trends happen time and time again. It’s a horrible forum