The Boris Johnson Thread

[LeonWasTheDog's]

I think we can as his arrogance in locking down later than other countries resulted in more deaths in europe and now the worst GDP.

The worst thing for me is the bumbling fuckwit will get away with it, shows what a apathetic nation of people we are.

I’m not defending him, but the virus is the cause of the recession not Boris. His handling of the virus is definitely not helping, but if the virus hadn’t appeared I doubt we’d be in recession now. Just look at every other country, it has decimated the economy everywhere. We are not alone!
It is going to be a very difficult situation to overcome, whether or not Boris is the man to lead us out of this is a question that will be answered in the next few months and probably years.
Pensions are going to be drastically hit, terrible timing for me as I’ve recently retired.

Nobody's saying the recession isn't linked to the virus. It's the fact that their failures in managing the virus have led to us having some of the worse outcomes - one of the worst death tolls, one of the worst economic hits, the slowest economic recovery. Yes it's a difficult situation to overcome, but some are dealing with it better. Our government has made a right balls up of it (as they do most things).

 

[Belfy]

An absolute joke of a man. Imagine if Jeremy had been in office and acted like Johnson. There would be outrage.
A bumbling idiot. Get rid.

If he did the same as Johnson ?
Of course, and rightly so.

 

[KrunchyKarrot]

I don’t think we can blame Boris for the pandemic causing the recession, but the No Deal Brexit and many other things, that’s a whole different story. There again, what a choice the British people had, Bumbling Boris or Jeremy (*##***##) Corbyn. :roll:

I think we can as his arrogance in locking down later than other countries resulted in more deaths in europe and now the worst GDP.

The worst thing for me is the bumbling fuckwit will get away with it, shows what a apathetic nation of people we are.

You think that Sage got it wrong do you?

 

[Fireboy]

I think we can as his arrogance in locking down later than other countries resulted in more deaths in europe and now the worst GDP.

The worst thing for me is the bumbling fuckwit will get away with it, shows what a apathetic nation of people we are.

You think that Sage got it wrong do you?

Lockdown should have put in place earlier, sages advice meant nothing whilst bumbling boris was on his jollies.

 

[Fireboy]

An absolute joke of a man. Imagine if Jeremy had been in office and acted like Johnson. There would be outrage.
A bumbling idiot. Get rid.

If he did the same as Johnson ?
Of course, and rightly so.

Builthys point is that there isnt much outrage against boris because most of the media is right wing, therefore he will get away with it.

Whereas Corbyn would have been hauled over the coals by said media.

 

[KrunchyKarrot]

You think that Sage got it wrong do you?

Lockdown should have put in place earlier, sages advice meant nothing whilst bumbling boris was on his jollies.

So you are saying that the reason we didnt lockdown earlier is that our PM was on his hols?

 

[Fireboy]

Lockdown should have put in place earlier, sages advice meant nothing whilst bumbling boris was on his jollies.

So you are saying that the reason we didnt lockdown earlier is that our PM was on his hols?

Errrrrrr, yes, that and him not attending five cobra meetings, meetings set up to try and sort the pandemic out.

He missed those meetings over a 6 week period, a period when he was also on holiday whilst the virus was sweeping through the country, if he had taken the virus seriously and attended those meetings we might have locked down earlier therefore putting measures in place that could have saved many lives.

 

[LeonWasTheDog's]

So you are saying that the reason we didnt lockdown earlier is that our PM was on his hols?

Errrrrrr, yes, that and him not attending five cobra meetings, meetings set up to try and sort the pandemic out.

He missed those meetings over a 6 week period, a period when he was also on holiday whilst the virus was sweeping through the country, if he had taken the virus seriously and attended those meetings we might have locked down earlier therefore putting measures in place that could have saved many lives.

There's a decent long read in the Atlantic that critiques his, the Government's and their advisers' responses. I think you get 2 or 3 free articles before the paywall kicks in:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/08/why-britain-failed-coronavirus-pandemic/615166/

 

[K23]

So you are saying that the reason we didn't lockdown earlier is that our PM was on his hols?

Errrrrrr, yes, that and him not attending five cobra meetings, meetings set up to try and sort the pandemic out.

He missed those meetings over a 6 week period, a period when he was also on holiday whilst the virus was sweeping through the country, if he had taken the virus seriously and attended those meetings we might have locked down earlier therefore putting measures in place that could have saved many lives.

This in a nutshell. It has been estimated by several sources that locking down a week earlier would have saved up to 20,000 UK lives. Johnson didn't become active in the battle against Covid-19 until he had returned from his 12 day holiday with Carrie Symons in the palatial mansion at Chevening, Kent. Had he taken Covid-19 seriously and postponed his holiday and fronted the anti-Covid war like any half-decent leader should, in theory we could have reached the lockdown decision up to 12 days sooner and prevented even more unnecessary and avoidable deaths. By the time he did return from holiday and came back into public view on Friday 28th Feb stating that the virus was the country's top priority, the UK already had one Covid-19 death to its name so he convened a Cobra meeting but even then he didn't take the threat sufficiently seriously to hold the meeting immediately, instead postponing it until the following Monday 2nd March as if the virus's unseen and exponential spread would also be taking the weekend off.

 

[J_B]

So you are saying that the reason we didnt lockdown earlier is that our PM was on his hols?

Errrrrrr, yes, that and him not attending five cobra meetings, meetings set up to try and sort the pandemic out.

He missed those meetings over a 6 week period, a period when he was also on holiday whilst the virus was sweeping through the country, if he had taken the virus seriously and attended those meetings we might have locked down earlier therefore putting measures in place that could have saved many lives.

Indeed.

Then further evidence that he wasn't taking it seriously came when he visited a Covid hospital ward and shook hands with patients.

It nearly cost him his life.

 

[KrunchyKarrot]

Errrrrrr, yes, that and him not attending five cobra meetings, meetings set up to try and sort the pandemic out.

He missed those meetings over a 6 week period, a period when he was also on holiday whilst the virus was sweeping through the country, if he had taken the virus seriously and attended those meetings we might have locked down earlier therefore putting measures in place that could have saved many lives.

This in a nutshell. It has been estimated by several sources that locking down a week earlier would have saved up to 20,000 UK lives. Johnson didn't become active in the battle against Covid-19 until he had returned from his 12 day holiday with Carrie Symons in the palatial mansion at Chevening, Kent. Had he taken Covid-19 seriously and postponed his holiday and fronted the anti-Covid war like any half-decent leader should, in theory we could have reached the lockdown decision up to 12 days sooner and prevented even more unnecessary and avoidable deaths. By the time he did return from holiday and came back into public view on Friday 28th Feb stating that the virus was the country's top priority, the UK already had one Covid-19 death to its name so he convened a Cobra meeting but even then he didn't take the threat sufficiently seriously to hold the meeting immediately, instead postponing it until the following Monday 2nd March as if the virus's unseen and exponential spread would also be taking the weekend off.

SAGE didnt recommend locking down until 16th March, they only started talking about isolating and cocooning the elderly on the 5th March.

 

[Belfy]

If he did the same as Johnson ?
Of course, and rightly so.

Builthys point is that there isnt much outrage against boris because most of the media is right wing, therefore he will get away with it.

Whereas Corbyn would have been hauled over the coals by said media.

Torys tell me the media is totally left of centre apart from the mail. Tbh they are both a pair of wasters, no loyalty to either.

 

[Professor]

This in a nutshell. It has been estimated by several sources that locking down a week earlier would have saved up to 20,000 UK lives. Johnson didn't become active in the battle against Covid-19 until he had returned from his 12 day holiday with Carrie Symons in the palatial mansion at Chevening, Kent. Had he taken Covid-19 seriously and postponed his holiday and fronted the anti-Covid war like any half-decent leader should, in theory we could have reached the lockdown decision up to 12 days sooner and prevented even more unnecessary and avoidable deaths. By the time he did return from holiday and came back into public view on Friday 28th Feb stating that the virus was the country's top priority, the UK already had one Covid-19 death to its name so he convened a Cobra meeting but even then he didn't take the threat sufficiently seriously to hold the meeting immediately, instead postponing it until the following Monday 2nd March as if the virus's unseen and exponential spread would also be taking the weekend off.

SAGE didnt recommend locking down until 16th March, they only started talking about isolating and cocooning the elderly on the 5th March.

You also have to question why SAGE had a narrow composition of modellers, epidemiologists and behavioural scientists drawn from Golden Triangle institutions. No clinical virologist, no coronavirus experts or
No immunologists

 

[KrunchyKarrot]

SAGE didnt recommend locking down until 16th March, they only started talking about isolating and cocooning the elderly on the 5th March.

You also have to question why SAGE had a narrow composition of modellers, epidemiologists and behavioural scientists drawn from Golden Triangle institutions. No clinical virologist, no coronavirus experts or
No immunologists

Well I accept that SAGE might not have had blanket representation ,but i cant believe that there was a shortage of expertise and that the specialists you mention would have shut us down weeks earlier. I believe mistakes have been made, and it will need a thorough investigation to sort it out.

On another note Prof we need to get everything up and running in NHS Wales, colleagues tell me that its at a virtual standstill. Nurses have been sitting around on wards for months with no patients which i can understand but we have to get specialist treatments up and running to avert another disaster.

Surely its not beyond us to isolate wards to allow us to treat patients.

 

[Professor]

You also have to question why SAGE had a narrow composition of modellers, epidemiologists and behavioural scientists drawn from Golden Triangle institutions. No clinical virologist, no coronavirus experts or
No immunologists

Well I accept that SAGE might not have had blanket representation ,but i cant believe that there was a shortage of expertise and that the specialists you mention would have shut us down weeks earlier. I believe mistakes have been made, and it will need a thorough investigation to sort it out.

On another note Prof we need to get everything up and running in NHS Wales, colleagues tell me that its at a virtual standstill. Nurses have been sitting around on wards for months with no patients which i can understand but we have to get specialist treatments up and running to avert another disaster.

Surely its not beyond us to isolate wards to allow us to treat patients.

The latter parts I fully agree with. The issue was that everything was treated like influenza. Anyone with real experience in MERS or SARS would have driven for an earlier, strict and in the end much shorter lockdown. Added to having a clown in charge we ended with disaster despite prior warning