Williams out

[AusinIsOurHero]

What I don't get is why he completely abandoned his formation & game plan that bought him success at Notts County? 3 at the back with wingbacks.
He went out & got Abbey in the summer so that's the 3rd CB there, with Key & Tymon higher up where they're much more effective.
But nah, lets stick with Abdulai as a makeshift winger.

 

[Smurph]

What I don't get is why he completely abandoned his formation & game plan that bought him success at Notts County? 3 at the back with wingbacks.
He went out & got Abbey in the summer so that's the 3rd CB there, with Key & Tymon higher up where they're much more effective.
But nah, lets stick with Abdulai as a makeshift winger.

The players he had at his disposal at Notts County were at a better standard than the opposition which facilitated his tactics to work the way they did.

Challenge he is now facing is the players currently at our club aren't technically up to playing the way he wants them to.

He seriously needs to fix plan A or at least have a plan B.

 

[monmouth]

Key and Tymon are much better than Ronald and Bianchini in attacking areas and delivery from what I've been able to watch this season when my view hasn't been obscured by a red mist.

 

[monmouth]

The players he had at his disposal at Notts County were at a better standard than the opposition which facilitated his tactics to work the way they did.

Challenge he is now facing is the players currently at our club aren't technically up to playing the way he wants them to.

He seriously needs to fix plan A or at least have a plan B.

I think they are playing exactly as he wants them to. We just "need to be" more clinical apparently and take the one or two chances we manage to create each game. Oh, and stop the opposition...or Tymon...scoring of course.

It's all bollocks. He needs to change. His record with us is almost total abject failure since he rolled up doing what he's doing. 33% wins, 10% entertainment, 0% excitement. Going nowhere. It's gash.

 

[Swanjaxs]

The clock is most definitely ticking now. Williams needs to turn things around pretty quickly.

 

[Smurph]

I think they are playing exactly as he wants them to. We just "need to be" more clinical apparently and take the one or two chances we manage to create each game. Oh, and stop the opposition...or Tymon...scoring of course.

It's all bollocks. He needs to change. His record with us is almost total abject failure since he rolled up doing what he's doing. 33% wins, 10% entertainment, 0% excitement. Going nowhere. It's gash.

His reluctance to change things is going to cost him in the long term.

 

[Smurph]

The clock is most definitely ticking now. Williams needs to turn things around pretty quickly.

He's getting way with things with a certain section of the fanbase because he's a nice guy ( I like the guy and really want him to do well with us). The same that Martin managed to do with a lot of supporters.

It's the cult of the fist pumps.

 

[Swanjaxs]

He's getting way with things with a certain section of the fanbase because he's a nice guy ( I like the guy and really want him to do well with us). The same that Martin managed to do with a lot of supporters.

It's the cult of the fist pumps.

Yep I get it

 

[Smurph]

Yep I get it

Queue the usual it's the owners, he's doing well with what he's got.......

Which I get to a certain point. What I Don't get are his line ups and in game substitutions. I would mention tactics yet he doesn't appear to have any.

When was the last time he did some during the game that positively impacted the result?

 

[T8AD365]

The players he had at his disposal at Notts County were at a better standard than the opposition which facilitated his tactics to work the way they did.

Challenge he is now facing is the players currently at our club aren't technically up to playing the way he wants them to.

He seriously needs to fix plan A or at least have a plan B.

Which surely must beg the question, is he actually any good as a manager?

His first managerial job was at Swindon, where he had a win rate of less than 27% and took them down to League Two.

If, as you say, his success at Notts County was mostly because their players were better than the opposition, then what does he bring to the table?

He's lost almost half of his 34 games as Swansea manager and the football we play is awful. A good manager/coach would get the best out of the players in the squad, even if it means playing a different style of football.

Again on Saturday, we're hearing "we controlled the game and were unlucky". That's the same thing we heard after Boro, West Brom, Sheffield United and now Blackburn, all of which we lost without scoring a single goal.

That means it's not unlucky and if we are "controlling" games that we are losing and not scoring in then how does the manager not realise that he needs to mix it up and try something different?

There's a difference between "controlling" a game and the opposition allowing us to have the ball, then waiting for a mistake and punishing us. It's exactly what we watched for two years under Martin. Just look at how Leicester won the Premier League, they would sit deep then nick the ball back, play it over the top to Vardy and he'd score. Probably had less than 30% possession in most games but it was by design because they didn't want the ball until the counter attack option was on. I'd say they had more "control" over the games than the opposition did, it doesn't always equate to who has the ball the most

 

[Smurph]

Which surely must beg the question, is he actually any good as a manager?

His first managerial job was at Swindon, where he had a win rate of less than 27% and took them down to League Two.

If, as you say, his success at Notts County was mostly because their players were better than the opposition, then what does he bring to the table?

He's lost almost half of his 34 games as Swansea manager and the football we play is awful. A good manager/coach would get the best out of the players in the squad, even if it means playing a different style of football.

Again on Saturday, we're hearing "we controlled the game and were unlucky". That's the same thing we heard after Boro, West Brom, Sheffield United and now Blackburn, all of which we lost without scoring a single goal.

That means it's not unlucky and if we are "controlling" games that we are losing and not scoring in then how does the manager not realise that he needs to mix it up and try something different?

There's a difference between "controlling" a game and the opposition allowing us to have the ball, then waiting for a mistake and punishing us. It's exactly what we watched for two years under Martin. Just look at how Leicester won the Premier League, they would sit deep then nick the ball back, play it over the top to Vardy and he'd score. Probably had less than 30% possession in most games but it was by design because they didn't want the ball until the counter attack option was on. I'd say they had more "control" over the games than the opposition did, it doesn't always equate to who has the ball the most

Well constructed post and draws out some interesting points.

In one of my previous posts I asked when the last time Williams actually did something during a game that positively impacted the result.

The Leicester City point you make is an interesting one. It proved you don't need to have the best players on a pitch to win a game if you have an effective game plan with room to tinker here and there.

Personally I rather we started winning games or least looking like winning games than controlling them.

Are we seeing a more affable version of Russell Martin?

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

A good manager/coach would get the best out of the players in the squad, even if it means playing a different style of football.

That involves the very fanciful assumption that there is more to get out of this squad. We've probably got the worst pool of strikers and wingers in the division. Even Pep Guardiola would struggle to eke goals out of that lot.

Be very careful what you wish for. At the moment, we are at least not conceding a shedful of goals. When a team is generally solid it always gives you something to build on and means you are in decent shape to maybe nick the odd narrow win.

That's probably our best chance of winning games between now and January, that's the reality.

 

[Smurph]

That involves the very fanciful assumption that there is more to get out of this squad. We've probably got the worst pool of strikers and wingers in the division. Even Pep Guardiola would struggle to eke goals out of that lot.

Be very careful what you wish for. At the moment, we are at least not conceding a shedful of goals. When a team is generally solid it always gives you something to build on and means you are in decent shape to maybe nick the odd narrow win.

That's probably our best chance of winning games between now and January, that's the reality.

There's also assumption we have a manager that know what he's doing at this level.

We all know what happens when we assume.

 

[J_B]

There's also assumption we have a manager that know what he's doing at this level.

We all know what happens when we assume.

Indeed.
Let’s not assume that the present ownership is capable of appointing anyone better mind. That would be a crazy assumption.

We’re deep in shit whichever way we look at it.

 

[T8AD365]

That involves the very fanciful assumption that there is more to get out of this squad. We've probably got the worst pool of strikers and wingers in the division. Even Pep Guardiola would struggle to eke goals out of that lot.

Be very careful what you wish for. At the moment, we are at least not conceding a shedful of goals. When a team is generally solid it always gives you something to build on and means you are in decent shape to maybe nick the odd narrow win.

That's probably our best chance of winning games between now and January, that's the reality.

So adapt the tactics so we aren't reliant on the wingers to create chances, try something different. As it is, we're watching the same thing every game and it isn't working.

We're not conceding because Vigouroux has been our best player so far this season, the opposition are still having plenty of shots and chances so it's not some tactical masterstroke that's led to our decent defensive record so far. That's not a sustainable way to get through an entire season.

We've only conceded 7 goals in 10 games, yet we've only got 12 points from the 30 that were available. It's all well and good not conceding at the moment, the manager needs to change the way the team attacks so we can have more than just a couple of goalscoring chances per game because that puts all the pressure on the striker to take the only chance they might get