Grimes...

[bytholwyn]

Interesting that in the 2019/20 (Cooper's first) Grimes won a DM league best 76 tackles and won the most duels. A similar story the previous season under Potter. The drop in tackles in more recent seasons may largely be a result of us having more of the ball.

 

[bytholwyn]

Grimes played over 50 times for Exeter in League 2 before he joined us.

Fair does, I forgot to scroll all the way down to the 2013/14 and 2014/15 seasons. His next full season was with Northampton in 2017/18.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

This thread is interesting, although for the life of me I couldn’t get excited about Grimes when he played for us let alone now he has left.

I see the point of stats to an extent in football (far less than in the US stop start sports that drive such a reliance on them), but I also believe what I see with my own eyes.

Grimes has always had great stats and always had an overrated reputation as a result. Largely from those who never actually watched us play. Sky Sports for example, or commentators from other teams. Who’d look at the stats and assume he was the crucial lynchpin to our team.
It’s interesting that those who did actually watch him play largely had a lesser opinion. Which is why he ended up going to a mid table championship team and was never, for example, taken to a higher league team even by managers that had worked with him. Potter, Cooper, Martin, all had the chance to take him to the premier league for example and never did.

He is an average championship midfielder. Won’t let you down, but won’t provide a spark. And it’s not because of his position. Leon played in that position and drove the team for years.

Anyway, he’s gone. If he’d stayed and O’Brien hadn’t joined I believe we’d have been relegated. O'Brien provided the spark that we needed. His contribution tailed off towards the end but the job was done by that point.

Grimes must be the player that has been with us for the longest time without ever really capturing the heart of the fan base. That says something in my view.

 

[Birchgrovejack]

Grimes played over 50 times for Exeter in League 2 before he joined us.

Thanks Lisa, this was the point i was making. He has 50 games at the lowest level, where he scored almost 20% of his goals.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

Fair does, I forgot to scroll all the way down to the 2013/14 and 2014/15 seasons. His next full season was with Northampton in 2017/18.

I didn’t scroll. I remember him joining us from Exeter. And something to do with frisbees as well.

But his stats are affected by a year and a half in league 2.

 

[Dillwyn the Dog]

Grimes played over 50 times for Exeter in League 2 before he joined us.

I knew he’d been at Exeter I thought Wyn had cast the same spell over me as Grimes did over him. Thank God for Holy Water

 

[Dillwyn the Dog]

Fair does, I forgot to scroll all the way down to the 2013/14 and 2014/15 seasons. His next full season was with Northampton in 2017/18.

What was that about “facts” again?

 

[swansvalleyjack]

Grimes was perfect for the system wanted by Martin and Williams in the Championship. Though I believe it's the type of role he prefers himself anyway. And is continuing at Coventry as per the perceptive observation by one of their fans in the opening post.

Overall, Grimes did a good job - as per his orders.

But as has been said so often now, our fans have been worn out by turgid, low tempo, own half possession football.

So while Grimes' time was well past its sell by date, along with Martin and Williams, I would still wish him well for the remaining years of his career. Compared to many others in recent years, he has been a skilful & decent servant for the Club. But that's as far as it goes for me.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

Grimes was perfect for the system wanted by Martin and Williams. Though I believe it's the type of role he prefers himself anyway. And is continuing at Coventry as per the perceptive observation by one of their fans in the opening post.

Overall, Grimes did a good job - as per his orders.

But as has been said so often now, our fans have turned away from turgid, low tempo, own half possession football.

So while Grimes' time was well past its sell by date, along with Martin and Williams, I would still wish him well for the remaining years of his career. Compared to many others in recent years, he has been a skilful & decent servant for the Club. But that's as far as it goes for me.

Completely agree with your description as a decent servant. And also wish him well.

 

[bytholwyn]

Grimes was perfect for the system wanted by Martin and Williams in the Championship. Though I believe it's the type of role he prefers himself anyway. And is continuing at Coventry as per the perceptive observation by one of their fans in the opening post.

Overall, Grimes did a good job - as per his orders.

But as has been said so often now, our fans have turned away from turgid, low tempo, own half possession football.

So while Grimes' time was well past its sell by date, along with Martin and Williams, I would still wish him well for the remaining years of his career. Compared to many others in recent years, he has been a skilful & decent servant for the Club. But that's as far as it goes for me.

I pretty much agree with you, though I obviously rate Grimes' contribution more highly. People understandably identify Grimes with the slow buildup style under Martin and to a lesser extent under Williams. That's partly fair, because a more deliberate style matches Grimes' attributes well, but those highlights of Grimes from Potter's season and Cooper's first show that there was a more dynamic version of Grimes available that M & W didn't capitalise on.

 

[bytholwyn]

What was that about “facts” again?

I think senility is more of the issue here...

 

[Jackareme]

Let me counter that with the thing you're overlooking most.

"Lies, Damned lies and statistics".


I agree his stats were among the best, but those stats to me were worse than damned lies (to resuse to above). The smoking gun for me is being a cdm and having hardly any injuries/knocks - reeks of self preservation rather than leaving it all out there.

So you would like him more if he didn’t play every week?

 

[monmouth]

So you would like him more if he didn’t play every week?

Well I like him more now, so I suppose that has to be a fair shout.

 

[ajacks]

So you would like him more if he didn’t play every week?

Thats what you took from my reply? Haha. So you want to try and bend statistics to fit a narrative that at best holds as much water as a sieve.

I'm suggesting that I'd rather him leave it all out there and be the "bust a gut" captain who gets the team moving up the pitch than be the tepid, luke warm crab that he was.

 

[Jackareme]

Frank Lampard played 164 consecutive games over 5 seasons - shit arse!